Pound 4 Pound #1

[AIR_KENG]

floyd is right where he should be... pac is good at third... if he gets past marco and jmm and barios, then he can be number two

[dep_violator]

actully, floyds overall resume blows pac's out of the water. pac has not been fighting elites his whole life at all. what hes done is awesome, but dont forget that he lost to morales once, and it was a draw against jmm. dont get too carried away. that being said, hes top three on my p4p.

also, zab isnt a bum. i remember a while ago when everyone said floyd was ducking zab. floyd goes through with the fight that he was never going to take and now hes fighting a bum. you cant win with haters

PBF's resume will soon be marred by a bum.

And he also got handed with a nice present from one of his fights with JLC so PBF's resume isn't as perfect as it may seem.

A resume which has no losses isn't a sure sign of perfection afterall.

[Exciterx30]

Oscar DLH? you're joking.
Ray Leonard? That guy is nothing but a runner and he got a lot of ****** bad-ass decisions over Hagler and Hearns.

Roberto Duran lost to all the elites of his era. ALthough the Leonard fight was nothing but a joke.

Julio Cesar Chavez? lol! This is funny.. I mean he has his laurels... but not that great.

And I respect your opinions.

But for placing Trinidad up there... it only means you're just a biased fan.

I;m a biased PAC fan but I base my conclusions on results and how a win is achieved.

You're list is a bogus one.

I do agree hagler, ALi, RAY ROB, should be there... the rest are all bogus and it just means you're a biased latino fan.

It's just crystal clear that you have not followed Durán, Trinidad, Chávez, DLH, or Leonard. If you took time to see their level of opposition, the things they have achieved, the fact that they are multiple division champions, and the type of fights in which they were involved, you would understand.

By the way, Leonard is not Latino, so I don't take your accusation too seriously, just like I don't take your opinion of Pacquiao. Maybe some other time, you will understand that Pacquiao is very good, but so overrated that it's ridiculous already.

[GunStar]

Oscar DLH? you're joking.
Ray Leonard? That guy is nothing but a runner and he got a lot of ****** bad-ass decisions over Hagler and Hearns.


I do agree hagler, ALi, RAY ROB, should be there... the rest are all bogus and it just means you're a biased latino fan.

Lol, Sugar Ray Leonard was one of the greatest fighters of all time. He stopped Hearns, he beat Duran twice, he beat Benitiz " The greatest Puerto Rican of all time" He got a questionable win against Hagler. Leonard belongs in the top 10 list of the greatest boxers of all time. Also he didn't run in every fight. He's beaten 4 legends!

[dep_violator]

Lol, Sugar Ray Leonard was one of the greatest fighters of all time. He stopped Hearns, he beat Duran twice, he beat Benitiz " The greatest Puerto Rican of all time" He got a questionable win against Hagler. Leonard belongs in the top 10 list of the greatest boxers of all time. Also he didn't run in every fight. He's beaten 4 legends!

He didn't beat Duran, he just made Duran quit. Much like what John Ruiz does to his opponents making them quit. Also he was the darling of the masses and for sure if it goes the distance, no Hagler or Hearns will win a decision over him. Personally, his reputation is tainted with too many bogus decisions favoring him. Sugar Leonard doesn't deserve to be in the top 10.

[dep_violator]

It's just crystal clear that you have not followed Durán, Trinidad, Chávez, DLH, or Leonard. If you took time to see their level of opposition, the things they have achieved, the fact that they are multiple division champions, and the type of fights in which they were involved, you would understand.

By the way, Leonard is not Latino, so I don't take your accusation too seriously, just like I don't take your opinion of Pacquiao. Maybe some other time, you will understand that Pacquiao is very good, but so overrated that it's ridiculous already.

On the other hand, I was able to follow their careers.

DLH is a joke. He got a lot of badass bogus decisions. And whenever things go the distance, its a sure win for him.

Trinidad is no better. He is the true definition of a ONE-DIMENSIONAL FIGHTER. He aint got any footwork, very low accuracy, very poor boxing basics and he got destroyed by Hopkins and got humiliated by Winky. Is that top 10 p4p? That's a joke.

Duran doesn't deserve to be in the top 10. He lost to all his nemesis. From Hagler, to Hearns to Leonard. How can that be top10 p4p? I admit he was a warrior and he was fearless but it doesn't mean it deserves to be in the top 10 p4p for mere bravery alone.

Multiple division champs are useless, if you got your ass beat by elites. The true measure of an elite is beating other elites CONVINCINGLY.

By the way... I know Leonard was American and not Latino. I was just implying that how can you make them top p4p when the results of their careers are horrendous?

PAC overrated? lol! How? He DEMOLISHED 2 ELITES ALREADY. lol! I really find it funny buddy. The list of those so-called experts saying that PAC is one-dimensional, that he is a one-time wonder, that he can't win against Morales... etc. The list of those who already ate their word are growin. PAC is making them eat their words for their ******ity.

Take for example the boxingscene staff whom 90% called it Morales' way.. they're eating their words now.

PAC's time is unique because he has 3 elites lined in front of him. Much like Leonard's time. But unlike Leonard, PAC always comes in as an underdog and its always a presumption he will lose on the cards if its a close one.

Unlike Leonard, PAC has never gotten any gift decision on his life EVER. He destroys his opponents and beats them up SO BAD that his opponents, no matter how brave they are.. they become chickens. Ask Morales why he doesn't want to fight PAC immediately nor is he adamant to fight PAC at 130 again.

Unlike Leonard who runs in circles doing little or nothing and still gets the judges'nod, PAC has to show that he dominates his opponent or else he loses.

PAC is already halfway to that peak. Another beating for Barrera and a win on JMM and maybe taking on B-level fighters like Barrios and he will be an easy bet for the top 10.

It is a bit hard to accept it, especially for a Latino, seeing your elites getting beat up so bad that their faces get rearranged and their bones crack. But that's reality and PAC has brought a new dimension to the game which has become boring nowadays generally, save for a few more elite fighters.

PAC has demolished the saying that Styles makes fights.

It's in your eagerness to win that makes fights.

[GunStar]

He didn't beat Duran, he just made Duran quit. Much like what John Ruiz does to his opponents making them quit. Also he was the darling of the masses and for sure if it goes the distance, no Hagler or Hearns will win a decision over him. Personally, his reputation is tainted with too many bogus decisions favoring him. Sugar Leonard doesn't deserve to be in the top 10.

He fought Duran 3 times & won Twice, he lost a very close fight in his first fight. Are you comparing Ruiz to one of the greatest boxers of all time. He beat the undefeated Hearns by TKO, he took some hard shots from one of the P4P hardest hitters in history of boxing.

Leonard had a great chin, greats skills, good power & brawled from time time, he has beaten some of the greatest boxers in history.

Sugar Ray Leonard is one of the greatest boxers ever lived, no ifs & buts about it. If you don't like him, then that's fine, but don't putdown one of the greatest boxers ever lived.

[oldgringo]

Wow its sad that dep actually believes some of the **** hes shoveling here.

[dep_violator]

He fought Duran 3 times & won Twice, he lost a very close fight in his first fight. Are you comparing Ruiz to one of the greatest boxers of all time. He beat the undefeated Hearns by TKO, he took some hard shots from one of the P4P hardest hitters in history of boxing.

Leonard had a great chin, greats skills, good power & brawled from time time, he has beaten some of the greatest boxers in history.

Sugar Ray Leonard is one of the greatest boxers ever lived, no ifs & buts about it. If you don't like him, then that's fine, but don't putdown one of the greatest boxers ever lived.

It's not about liking him or not. I don't base my conclusions on whom I like. I don't like Ali and yet he's in my top 10. It's not a question of like.

It's a question of how you achieved your victories.

WHat Leonard did to Duran is comparable to what Ruiz does. Watch the fight and it's nothing but a carnival show. He clearly lost to Hagler whom he did nothing but run away like a chicken. Hagler was most hated at that time for being an introvert and extremely anti-social and he's not the type you could call "an ideal champ". Leonard got a lot of gift decisions on his career. HIs wins against elites are marred by controversy and he seldom beat elites on CONVINCING FASHION.

That is not top 10 p4p material. A bigger, more strict rule applies to top 10 elites and not just to mere elites. it's how you won that counts, not how your resume looks on paper.

[dep_violator]

Wow its sad that dep actually believes some of the **** hes shoveling here.

Wow! you ate your words last time.

Wow!