Wlad Destroys prime Mike Tyson

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  • kardsufur
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    #51
    Originally posted by sk819
    would he fu%k. tyson unlike povetkin will maul wlad on the inside and not hug him. he head movement will nullify his jab
    Tyson has even poorer stamina than Klitschko. If Wlad survives past round 6 the only one mauled will be Tyson mauled by Klitschko's piston rod jab and right hands down the pipe. I see a TKO10 stoppage for Wlad over Tyson

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      #52
      Originally posted by lefthook2daliva
      Boy, I don't know about that... A prime Vitali is a big, mean sonofa***** and not without deceptively skillful defense as well as a granite chin and a sphincter-relaxing stink eye . I think Vitali wind this fight at the weigh-in staredown.
      Nah no way man, Tyson fears no one. Vitali is much better than ****ty Wlad, but he is really sloppy. I reckon he would have trouble landing on Tyson and he does he his hands low. I know he's got good reflexes but can he really avoid the left hook of the fastest combination punches in HW history?

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        #53
        Originally posted by kiDynamite92
        Nah no way man, Tyson fears no one. Vitali is much better than ****ty Wlad, but he is really sloppy. I reckon he would have trouble landing on Tyson and he does he his hands low. I know he's got good reflexes but can he really avoid the left hook of the fastest combination punches in HW history?
        Easy, Tyson's reach is probably 1/4 of Vitali's. He'd have to be making huge lunging motions to land ANYTHING on Vitali which would ultimately cost him dearly in counters and Vitali would stop him

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          #54
          Originally posted by kardsufur
          Easy, Tyson's reach is probably 1/4 of Vitali's. He'd have to be making huge lunging motions to land ANYTHING on Vitali which would ultimately cost him dearly in counters and Vitali would stop him
          Get real, Vitali doesn't have reflexes that good. Sloppy Chris Areaola was hitting when he let his hands go.

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          • B-Bomber
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            #55
            Let's look at styles, advantages and disadvantages.

            Tyson fought in a peek a boo stance, both hands held close to his chin. The correct way to fight in a peek a boo is to never reach, both hands must be free. Defense, when fighting in this stance, is not based on angles or body mechanics (i.e philly shell ), but on reflexes and elusivesness. This stance leaves you squared up, so bobbing, ducking and weaving is essential.

            Pre jail Tyson mastered this technique, his speed and upper body movement allowed him to slip under a jab (Wlad's best weapon) with extreme ease.

            This style consumes a lot of energy, especially if you go out all guns ablaze like Tyson. After 4-6 rounds Mike's level of activity went down. Another weakness is Tyson's mental resilience, if things didn't go his way, he tended to fold.


            Wladimir is more of a orthodox boxer, although he paws his jab a lot.
            His chin is not good, he has to resort to a lot of clinching.

            An opponent fighting in a peek a boo stance, especially one with Tyson's speed and accuracy, is not an easy target for a methodical clinch, especially in the first 3-4 rounds.

            With all this said, I don't think Wlad would survive 3 rounds, especially if he fights negative, as he usually does. The best way to fight a guy like Tyson is to hold your ground, you cannot allow him to bully you.

            He has very good power, but cannot afford to go to war with Tyson.
            I don't think Wlad has the chin or heart to gain Tyson's respect without being knocked down/out.

            And I don't think he could force Tyson to box, not in the first few rounds at least. With that chin of his, 3 or 4 rounds should be enough for Tyson to take him out.

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            • Skip Bayless
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              #56
              Originally posted by kardsufur
              Tyson has even poorer stamina than Klitschko. If Wlad survives past round 6 the only one mauled will be Tyson mauled by Klitschko's piston rod jab and right hands down the pipe. I see a TKO10 stoppage for Wlad over Tyson
              its possible. wlad is a big guy and has power but i think tyson will take him out early. wlad has 0 inside game and a suspect chin.

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                #57
                Originally posted by kiDynamite92
                Get real, Vitali doesn't have reflexes that good. Sloppy Chris Areaola was hitting when he let his hands go.
                I'm one of Tyson's biggest detractors. He's overrated as ****. Wladimir Klitschko is greater than him in terms of resume. That said, if we're talking prime for prime Klitschko gets stopped early. Tyson is nothing great due to his personality and mentality but make no mistake he'd get Wlad out of there even though he is really a 4 round fighter. With the sort of speed and movement Tyson had, he'd catch Wlad and would get him out of there. Mark my words. Lesser fighters have stopped Wlad (I know this doesn't prove Tyson would win as lesser fighters have stopped Tyson too). All in all, I'd go for a Tyson KO within 4. Klitschko's chin just isn't good enough. Vitali is a different matter. He is overrated as **** too but Tyson probably wouldn't be able to just bomb him out of there and Vitali's got much better stamina than Tyson.

                Edit: Wlad wouldn't get Tyson out of there with one shot either. Contrary to what his record suggests, Tyson's jaw was granite, as you'd expect from someone with his body shape.
                Last edited by stefl14; 10-07-2013, 07:37 AM.

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                  #58
                  Originally posted by Cactus Jack
                  Wlad is probably the most hated & underrated HW of all time, Yet you hating ass clowns act like Tyson was a great fighter when in reality he is boxing's all time biggest hype job

                  In conclusion.....Wlad TKO 8

                  Tyson had really strong neck muscles, which would be needed as Wlad would spend most of the night jumping on Tyson neck and back trying to hug him.

                  A great defence, just one problem, it is not boxing.

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                  • lefthook2daliva
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                    #59
                    Originally posted by kiDynamite92
                    Nah no way man, Tyson fears no one. Vitali is much better than ****ty Wlad, but he is really sloppy. I reckon he would have trouble landing on Tyson and he does he his hands low. I know he's got good reflexes but can he really avoid the left hook of the fastest combination punches in HW history?
                    I'll give you that young Tyson has the edge in speed and athleticism, but where I disagree is the "Tyson fears no man" deal. That kid was a thug and a bully. He would sense the weakness in Wlad which would feed Mike's confidence, allowing him to righteously kick the **** out of Wlad. There is no such weakness in Vitali. All young Mike is gonna' see in those eyes is impending doom.

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                      #60
                      Originally posted by D4thincarnation
                      Tyson had really strong neck muscles, which would be needed as Wlad would spend most of the night jumping on Tyson neck and back trying to hug him.

                      A great defence, just one problem, it is not boxing.
                      I don't think Wlad would be allowed to clinch as often as he did against Povektin. The russian threw wide punches, making it easy for Wlad to clinch arms.

                      Besides, Tyson didn't really like to fight inside, he loved to stay at mid range. Leaning in to clinch would require a perfect timing. One mistake and you eat a big uppercut.

                      A better way to fight Tyson is to force him on the inside (Holyfield resorted to that) where he wasn't as good as he's given credit for.
                      Problem is, Wlad has no inside game, a weak chin. I really don't see how he could survive 4 rounds of prime Tyson.

                      Simply put. Tyson was beatable, but you need a chin and preferably some inside game.

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