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  • Hougigo
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    #41
    Originally posted by T18Z
    No controversy? The referee practically cost Ruslan the fight. Don't even bother saying the first round shouldn't of been 10-8.
    If he was knocked down yea

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      #42
      Originally posted by T18Z
      No controversy? The referee practically cost Ruslan the fight. Don't even bother saying the first round shouldn't of been 10-8.
      No. Ruslan cost himself the fight by not doing **** between rounds 2-5 and 7-10. He did absolutely nothing in round 3. He threw 15 punches. There is no way to score the fight for Ruslan unless you try to use your imagination and make judgement calls.

      How about I score round 3 10-8 since Ruslan only threw 15 punches?

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      • daggum
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        #43
        bradley's entire body fell into the ropes after being hit with a hook in round 2=knockdown ropes can't hold you up 10-8 round

        bradley sat on the bottom rope/landed on the bottom rope to keep him up after being hit with a hook in round 6=knockdown ropes can't hold you up 10-8 round

        round 1 also should have been a knockdown but ruslan lightly touched him while he was on his way down and trying to clinch so the ref ruled it a push. joke
        Last edited by daggum; 10-03-2013, 08:29 PM.

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          #44
          Originally posted by PBP
          No. Ruslan cost himself the fight by not doing **** between rounds 2-5 and 7-10. He did absolutely nothing in round 3. He threw 15 punches. There is no way to score the fight for Ruslan unless you try to use your imagination and make judgement calls.

          How about I score round 3 10-8 since Ruslan only threw 15 punches?
          That's what I'm saying....but then the counter will be because he wasn't knocked down

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          • T18Z
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            #45
            Originally posted by PBP
            No. Ruslan cost himself the fight by not doing **** between rounds 2-5 and 7-10. He did absolutely nothing in round 3. He threw 15 punches. There is no way to score the fight for Ruslan unless you try to use your imagination and make judgement calls.

            How about I score round 3 10-8 since Ruslan only threw 15 punches?
            How about you learn how to score first? 10-8 rounds are often given on punishment and damage inflicted more than anything, and Bradley didn't really hurt Ruslan at all in round 3, there's no way it's a 10-8, you're grasping for straws.

            But, you haven't disputed the knockdown, so I assume you accept it. If you honestly think after getting up then falling back on your fricken skull isn't a clear enough indication the knockdown was legit you're absolutely clueless. Bradley was holding on to Ruslan to avoid hitting the canvas, Ruslan STEPPED BACKWARDS which is within his right, and Bradley didn't even have the ability to hold himself up, his fault, it's a knockdown.

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              #46
              How I scored it...

              1. Provodnikov 10/8
              2. Provodnikov 10/8
              3. Bradley 10/9
              4. Bradley 10/9
              5. Bradley 10/9
              6. Provodnikov 10/9
              7. Bradley 10/9
              8. Bradley 10/9
              9. Bradley 10/9
              10. Bradley 10/9
              11. Bradley 10/9
              12. Provodnikov 10/8

              112-113 Bradley

              It was a close fight but Bradley edged it out IMO. I also became a Bradley fight that night.

              His heart is unquestionable. I remember him being on the ropes swinging when he was out on his feet!

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              • T18Z
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                #47
                Originally posted by hougigo
                That's what I'm saying....but then the counter will be because he wasn't knocked down
                No, the counter is punishment. You don't given Paulie M a 10-8 round if he doesn't deal enough damage despite throwing loads of punches. There is more to boxing than punches landed, it's about how much you actually damage the other person too.

                Originally posted by daggum
                bradley's entire body fell into the ropes after being hit with a hook in round 2=knockdown ropes can't hold you up 10-8 round

                bradley sat on the bottom rope/landed on the bottom rope to keep him up after being hit with a hook in round 6=knockdown ropes can't hold you up 10-8 round

                round 1 also should have been a knockdown but ruslan lightly touched him while he was on his way down and trying to clinch so the ref ruled it a push. joke
                Exactly.

                PLENTY of times Bradley was held up by the ropes, could've easily been called a knockdown.
                Last edited by T18Z; 10-03-2013, 08:42 PM.

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                  #48
                  Originally posted by T18Z
                  How about you learn how to score first? 10-8 rounds are often given on punishment and damage inflicted more than anything, and Bradley didn't really hurt Ruslan at all in round 3, there's no way it's a 10-8, you're grasping for straws.

                  But, you haven't disputed the knockdown, so I assume you accept it. If you honestly think after getting up then falling back on your fricken skull isn't a clear enough indication the knockdown was legit you're absolutely clueless. Bradley was holding on to Ruslan to avoid hitting the canvas, Ruslan STEPPED BACKWARDS which is within his right, and Bradley didn't even have the ability to hold himself up, his fault, it's a knockdown.
                  Oh the irony @ the bolded.

                  And your making rules up. Nothing in the rule book says you have to score a round 10-8 because of "taking punishment and damage". A 10/8 round is for a decisive round. :

                  judge should not only know what a 10/9 round is, but know the degree a boxer is winning the 10/9 round. Either a boxer won a close 10/9 round, a moderate 10/9 round, or a decisive 10/9 round. Extreme decisive may push the score to a 10/8 score depending on the judgment of the judge.Mentally, a judge MUST know which contestant is winning the round at any given point. You should know the score of the round, and the score should immediately be written on the scorecard at the end of the round. The application of these scoring concepts will determine a winner in each round.
                  10-8 rounds are for "extremely decisive" rounds and are up to the judgement of the judges. Extremely decisive to me is one guy dominating for most of the round.

                  And the knockdown is a judgement call by the referee. It was delayed and you can clearly see Ruslan pushing down on Bradley's back causing him to go down. Especially from the angle where the ref saw it. If anything he didn't step back early enough.

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                  • T18Z
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by PBP
                    Oh the irony @ the bolded.

                    And your making rules up. Nothing in the rule book says you have to score a round 10-8 because of "taking punishment and damage". A 10/8 round is for a decisive round. :



                    10-8 rounds are for "extremely decisive" rounds and are up to the judgement of the judges. Extremely decisive to me is one guy dominating for most of the round.

                    And the knockdown is a judgement call by the referee. It was delayed and you can clearly see Ruslan pushing down on Bradley's back causing him to go down. Especially from the angle where the ref saw it. If anything he didn't step back early enough.
                    Oh please, like you or Bradley had any trouble knowing who was being slaughtered and who wasn't. Essentially all of the rounds Ruslan won were by slaughter, Bradley was practically out on his feet, the referee was well within his power to stop the fight, yet he definitely showed either poor judgement or bias towards Bradley.

                    In regards to the knockdown, you think putting your elbow on a guys back (it's a natural reaction when someone grabs onto your waist, it's to stabilize your balance, duh) should automatically count as a slip? Even though the fighter has just been hit clean, is holding on for dear life, then when you step backwards he falls on his face from being out of it, THEN gets back up, falls backwards onto his head and can barley stand, you honestly think that's a judgement call? LOL.

                    I guess CJ ross scoring a draw for Mayweather Alvarez is also a judgement call and can't be criticized? get real..
                    Last edited by T18Z; 10-03-2013, 08:55 PM.

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                      #50
                      Originally posted by T18Z
                      Oh please, like you or Bradley had any trouble knowing who was being slaughtered and who wasn't. Essentially all of the rounds Ruslan won were by slaughter, Bradley was practically out on his feet, the referee was well within his power to stop the fight, yet he definitely showed either poor judgement or bias towards Bradley.
                      Irrelevant. Boxing is scored by the rounds. Your making up your own rules again. Bradley won 7 clear rounds minus 1 point for the KD in round 12. 11 could have gone either way. Ruslan should have done more in the rounds he lost. And oh how quickly you forget the quote from the great Freddie Roach in Round 10:

                      "If you don't pick it up I'm going to stop the fight"

                      But Ruslan wasn't taking any punishment, huh? lol

                      In regards to the knockdown, you think putting your elbow on a guys back (it's a natural reaction when someone grabs onto your waist, duh) should automatically count as a punch? Even though the fighter has just been hit clean, is holding on for dear life, then when you step backwards he falls on his face from being out of it, THEN gets back up, falls backwards onto his head and can barley stand, you honestly think that's a judgement call? LOL.
                      If the ref sees elbows on the back and one fighter pushing down on the other, its going to be a push. That's clearly what happened in this case.

                      I guess CJ ross scoring a draw for Mayweather Alvarez is also a judgement call and can't be criticized? get real..
                      No. That's just corruption to save the casinos from losing money.

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