Mayweather has consistently avoided the best available opposition (Great Article)

[Zen_Fighter]

I enjoy watching boxing and UFC. I have enjoyed boxing since the John Tate vs Mike Williams fight. I saw the first UFC over twenty years ago. They are different animals. Floyd might go down as a revolutionary of the sport in the context of a fighter's control of their own destiny. I know I am guilty of compare today with "yesterday." Leonard without Hagler, Hearns, Duran? Holmes without Cooney and Spinks? Ali without Frazier, Spinks, Foreman? Perhaps in twenty years fans look back and remember a legendary night with Floyd? I am not so sure.

[D4thincarnation]

I enjoy watching boxing and UFC. I have enjoyed boxing since the John Tate vs Mike Williams fight. I saw the first UFC over twenty years ago. They are different animals. Floyd might go down as a revolutionary of the sport in the context of a fighter's control of their own destiny. I know I am guilty of compare today with "yesterday." Leonard without Hagler, Hearns, Duran? Holmes without Cooney and Spinks? Ali without Frazier, Spinks, Foreman? Perhaps in twenty years fans look back and remember a legendary night with Floyd? I am not so sure.

Floyd is never in a FOTY contender. When we look back at the great fighters of the past, it is normally to see them in a great fight.

e.g Duran vs Leonard, Hagler vs Hearns, Ali vs Foreman.

If you want to get someone into boxing to become a fan of the sport, no way are you going to show them a Floyd fight.

Does it frustrate you the problems in boxing with some big fights not getting made.

There seems little politics in UFC, but I'm just not a fan of the sport.

[RawDawgHasSpokn]

Errrr....no it isnt, not if the criticism was spot on and it was, so take it on the chin as its not you he's criticising, just your hero. I dont need to call you a floydiot either, you do a good enough job of that yourself with the sycophantic guff you spout.

I apologize,I thought criticism came from factual evidence rather than opinionated fabrications of actual events.

[D4thincarnation]

I apologize,I thought criticism came from factual evidence rather than opinionated fabrications of actual events.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/criticism

1.
the act of passing judgment as to the merits of anything.
2.
the act of passing severe judgment; censure; faultfinding.
3.
the act or art of analyzing and evaluating or judging the quality of a literary or artistic work, musical performance, art exhibit, dramatic production, etc.
4.
a critical comment, article, or essay; critique.
5.
any of various methods of studying texts or documents for the purpose of dating or reconstructing them, evaluating their authenticity, analyzing their content or style, etc.: historical criticism; literary criticism.

[Zen_Fighter]

I get incredibly frustrated at some of the match making or lack there of... in boxing. That being said there seems to be enough to keep me pretty happy. I was excited about Floyd vs. Canelo. If you reflect as a fan you become incredibly thankful for your memories of Pac vs Morales, Angulo vs Kirkland, Gatt vs Ward, Toney vs. Jirov, Castillo vs. Corrales, etc. Most people don't know who these people are. UFC controls everything. There isn't any real negotiations between fighters. Dana White makes the match ups, if fans are begging for a fight he typically makes it happen. The model seems to be fan based because they can generate the dollars. The best fighter in the UFC is taking home less money than an a boxing match by a fighter that only we know. For example, Nonito Donaire. Big dollars are falling into Dana White's pockets and if his top dog gets beat... no problem. The new top dog is his already for half the payout. There is an endless supply of human capital for him. Boxers who rake in the cash are in short supply and therefore protected. I give UFC credit for their strategy. It works for now. Evolution of the sport and the long term punishments of mma has yet to reveal its head.

[megadeth]

You can look and a number of great champions in the past and say they never fought this fighter or that fighter, but none have consistently done it over a large part of their career

Complete nonesense. You dislike the guy so much, that you will lie and distort the facts, just to make him look bad.

Casamayor, Freitas, Hamed Floyd called all three out and none were interested.

Prime ODH & Mosley both didn't want the fight. High risk, low reward.

140 Tszyu Floyd called him out once he was @ 140 & the very next fight, he got his azz handed to him by Hatton and retired.

140 Cotto didn't want the fight

147 Cotto admitted he never asked for or pushed for the fight. Not to mention, Floyd was not working w/Top Rank then.

147 Margarito He was willing to fight for 8 mil if he got guarantees of 10 mil for Cotto, Hatton & 20 mil for ODH. He was denied & became a free agent. Instead of fighting all four for the 58 mil that he requested(but was denied), he fought 3 of the four for 95 mil. That's a duck? Wonder what Pac would've done?

147 Paul Williams this fight was spoken about for Pac as well. Did Pac duck him too?

150/154 Sergio Martinez He called out both Floyd and Pac @ 150. If Floyd is "ducking", then so is Pac. How does a WW or WW posing as a SWW duck a MW anyway?

Those are all facts? So please logically explained why you consider them ducks?

People will see the vacations for what they are, ways to avoid fighters, then we have the list of road blocks he put up to avoid the Pacquiao fight, moving the goal posts on each occasion.

SRL took more vacations than Floyd did. Floyd can't be blamed for the fighters that ducked him. 2008 Cotto, Margarito, Mosley, Williams, Clottey were top welters. 2 of the 3 had already refused to fight Floyd. June 2007 Margarito lost to William. July Floyd beat Hatton, then "retired". So how was he ducking a fighter who had never had a signifigant win except Cintron who had lost to a fighter that who had never had a signifigant win PERIOD?

Random Blood & Urine drug testing is not a "roadblock", Pac proved that but demanding it of Rios! Not to mention proved that all his excuses not to do take the tests with FMJ were lies and a way out of the fight. Either it a roadblock for both or neither. You can't have it both ways. Also, Count the number of "roadblocks" compared to the number of excuses Pac had. Pac had a lot more. If you call it "moving the goal post", then obviously your too ****** to understand how business and negotiations work.

One criticism non-boxing fans throw at boxing is the best don't fight the best, and Mayweather is the main culprit, and has turned fans to sports like the UFC

Bob Arum starting this "Floyd ducking" nonesense and you are just one of his many followers. A lie if repeated enough seems to become the truth, just ask **** Germany. Seems like a place you might enjoy living.

By the way, I love how you "ducked" my previous post. To much truth for you, huh?

[Marvellous1]

Mine own personal experience, I try to get people involved in boxing, tell them about fights going on get some interest going.

But the line I keep getting back is that in boxing the best don't fight the best, them referring the the Mayweather vs Pacquiao non fight, saying it not that in the UFC or whatever they watch.

So that was all from the tiny world of D4th with nothing to support it. Much more credible than a phone poll, I'm sure. When the numbers say different, I'll give your notion some credence.

You proved my point that people's perceptions can come out of nothing concrete and others with an agenda will run with it.

[Zen_Fighter]

You make very good arguments. But don't you still think is still a strong perception that Floyd ducks fights? That is going to haunt his legacy. He may say he doesn't care but you can clearly see it gets into his craw! He could easily put an end to this none sense. He took the correct step with facing Canelo. Big win for Floyd. I don't feel as if it is too late. He can't correct the mistake with Pac. Floyd is in a lose/lose situation if he every faces Pac now. I do blame him for that one.

[dynomyte1444]

This ****** thread is still up

[Zen_Fighter]

This ****** thread is still up

Some of us actually enjoy discussing our thoughts. I actually don't have friends that talk about boxing. I appreciate a thread that can have some decent ideas tossed out there without someone trying to ridicule you.