Mayweather has consistently avoided the best available opposition (Great Article)

[The Big Dunn]

I dont answer loaded questions from the most biased poster on Boxing Scene.

The comparison to Scoop is another transparent act to show you cant handle any floyd criticism. that guy doesnt even know how much a welterweight weighs. No surprise you also bring in Fischer, another writer that criticizes Floyd (with substance and merit).

Is hauser completely right? of course not. but he does bring up valid points.

a real, unbiased fan can call things as they are. all you do is toe the TMT line

you don't answer questions when the answer refutes whatever you've posted. instead, you say its loaded and avoid it.

I compared him to doug and scoop because of how they go about their criticism.

[D4thincarnation]

baldomir had the wbc welter title.... and floyd had just moved up to 147, it was the logical fight....

ortiz is a marketable guy in every sense.... he talks, he's a decent looking kid, easy to sell.....

Maybe he will be fighting Justin Bieber next, I might be cheering for Floyd in that one.

Damn better not give Haymon any ideas

[VERSION1 (V1)]

Consistently, no.

yes it happens all the time

[WilkinsOlajuwon]

baldomir had the wbc welter title.... and floyd had just moved up to 147, it was the logical fight....

ortiz is a marketable guy in every sense.... he talks, he's a decent looking kid, easy to sell.....

"logical"? you were claiming PWill and Margs were not lucrative names. Now its about logic? LOL HAHAHA

if ortiz can be sold, so can Margs and PWill which both held titles and had been on HBO multiple times

what a crock man

[D4thincarnation]

yes it happens all the time

So Marquez, a fighter that cause Pacquiao huge problems in the past, and Pacquiao chooses to fight him 4 times.

And this is taking the easy route for you.

Please

[radioraheem]

you don't answer questions when the answer refutes whatever you've posted. instead, you say its loaded and avoid it.

I compared him to doug and scoop because of how they go about their criticism.

Agreed. He is very similar to Doug Fisher and Scoop in that regard. There is so much bias it's funny. Below is Hauser criticizing Mayweather as usual a while ago. He says Mayweather WILL NOT fight Austin Trout, and that he should fight the winner of Trout vs. Canelo but doesn't think a Trout-Canelo fight will happen, that Mayweather should fight Sergio Martinez at a catchweight, and goes on to continue the criticism mentioning that Floyd doesn't fight as good of opponents as the earlier years in his career.

[The Gambler1981]

All kidding aside, there is some truth in the article. that truth is that there are fights Mayweather didn't have that would've liked. I wanted to see him in with Margarito, Williams and especially Pacquiao. As a boxing fan, it's the kind of stuff you want to see. Where I differ with the article and plenty of people on here is that Mayweather's to blame each and every time.

Bob Arum himself stated exactly why the fights with Margarito and Cotto didn't happen when we wanted them to. It was over money. Mayweather was making demands he wasn't prepared to meet. He underestimated Mayweather's worth and what a fight against De La Hoya would gross. Granted, Arum had no prior proof of Mayweather's earning potential, but he flatly refused to take the gamble. Like Oscar did before, Mayweather bet on himself, and moved on- pretty acrimoniously.

The fights with Hatton and Oscar did happen (and at the time, they were fights the world wanted, don't try to deny it). Mayweather's retirement. Was it a master plan of avoidance? that's one school of thought. Like God's existence, it can't be proved or disproved. However, I remember the feeling at the time that there wasn't much left for Mayweather to do after 13 years in the business and more in amateur competition. I've never prepared for ONE pro fight, let alone dedicate my whole youth and a big portion of my adult life to pro fights, have you? Training, dieting, travelling and fighting. When you add injuries (like broken hands), to it, I have no idea what toll that takes. Again, do you? Only a fighter knows when they need time to heal physically and mentally. Some don't get the chance because a promoter always has money to make. So a break can be forced on them by their body breaking down or by getting badly hurt (by brutal KO amongst other things). Maybe Mayweather knew he could only keep fighting if he gave himself time to heal physically and mentally? Too much of a coincidence for some, I'm sure. It worked out for him but we, as fans missed out on fights we wanted.

Lastly, as I stated before, I'm happy to accept the fact that Mayweather hasn't faced everyone he could have and he can be held accountable in some ways. But to laud him, and not level the same criticism at Pacquiao is absurd. Pacquiao's run from Diaz onward is as full of as many holes and includes a blatant duck of Shane Mosley. Yet fights against the likes of Barrera, Morales and Marquez buys him passes that fights against Hernandez, Corrales and Castillo can't buy Mayweather. Pacquiao has taken fights for money incentive, has looked to get advantages too (catchweights) and even "waited for opponents to get old" or even older (Mosley). Yet because he was marketed as the "anti-Mayweather" this is overlooked.

I still maintain that the reason Pacquiao isn't the subject of such articles is because people have no need to make him seen fallible because it's already been done in the ring, whereas with Mayweather it hasn't and doesn't look likely (south of 160lbs anyway). Trying to make out that he's NEVER fought anyone who could beat him is much easier than admitting just how good he is.

Not bad, I would just say if the criticism you lay at a guys feet is that they didn't fight every little challenge, Williams and Margarito both would have been decent fights and were decent fighters but Floyd has tons of guys of that ilk on his dossier so those two names don't change much for him IMO.

Manny is a different story but there is a whole lot to that tale~ wrongs on both sides and a ton of gray area acting like either side is totally right or totally wrong is just not being real. It will haunt Floyd certainly but Manny deserves his share of the blame (even if it was mostly Arum Manny had the power to step to him and force his hand but he was content to let Arum do his thing).

That is a pretty fair take though overall, I would have given you green if I could and no one responded to this so I figured this needed some recognition.

[The Big Dunn]

So Marquez, a fighter that cause Pacquiao huge problems in the past, and Pacquiao chooses to fight him 4 times.

And this is taking the easy route for you.

Please

The majority of the public and the boxin media didn't believe manny beat him in the rematch or in the 3rd fight so he fought him again.

Pac fought him the 4th time after saying he had nothing more to prove. Once Cotto refused another CW, then he made him sign to TR to fight.

So will manny sign to tmt to make fight?

[D4thincarnation]

Agreed. He is very similar to Doug Fisher and Scoop in that regard. There is so much bias it's funny. Below is Hauser criticizing Mayweather as usual a while ago. He says Mayweather WILL NOT fight Austin Trout, and that he should fight the winner of Trout vs. Canelo but doesn't think a Trout-Canelo fight will happen, that Mayweather should fight Sergio Martinez at a catchweight, and goes on to continue the criticism mentioning that Floyd doesn't fight as good of opponents as the earlier years in his career.

Good video of Hauser.

So HBO had enough of GBP and Haymon putting on non competitive fights and thats why Floyd ended up at Showtime.

[Frank Ducketts]

respect and integrity take years to build and seconds to destroy. He was once very highly respected. Now he's scoop malinowski level since he's been on TR's payroll.


SHame, waste of a very talented writer.

I hate to keep this thread alive but, good post.