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punch him in the throat or thumb him in both eyes. i was gonna add headbutt but last time someone did that to him, he knocked the guy out.
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It seems popular opinion on this board is that in order to defeat Floyd Mayweather, you have to make into a brawl. Cut off the ring, apply as much pressure as possible, and throw a lot of punches. The problem with this gameplan is several things:
1. You're trying to cut off the ring and apply pressure against Floyd Mayweather Jr - one of the most slippery and slickest fighters boxing has ever seen. This will have your fighter whiffing at air all night long, leaving him to get tired.
2. Floyd is one of the best counter punchers of all-time. Floyd WANTS you to throw a lot of punches and exposing yourself to his counters.
This gameplan is exactly want Floyd wants you to do. It plays into his strengths. You're walking forward as Floyd uses his legs to dance around you as you walk into his pot shots all night long.
You have to ask yourself, what does Floyd NOT want you to do? What does Floyd least expect? Floyd doesn't want to be the agressor - he doesn't want to be the one to have to make the first move. Floyd also doesn't expect anyone to try and outthink him - so this is exactly what you must try to do. You have to be able to think quickly, be patient, and set traps for Floyd. God-given hand speed doesn't hurt either...
Here's an example:
Above, you don't see Mosley applying pressure and throwing 500 punches He's posied and he's thinking and he's effectively lulled Mayweather into a passive state... Suddenly you see him take a half a step into his range and setting a trap. He occupies Mayweather with a jab to the body (the trap), while Mayweather is occupied with the jab, Shane puts a right hand right over the top catching Floyd off guard. Once again, an example of out-thinking Floyd.
Example #2:
Zab pretty much does the same thing that Mosley did in the above GIF. Zab, standing his ground, occupies Mayweather with a couple half-hearted jabs (the jab) then rips a straight left hand down the pipe.
Here we go again, Zab lets Mayweather act first, and counters the jab to the body. Zab was poised and he didn't fall for the feinted jab, instead he waited for the REAL punch, the jab to the body, and caught Mayweather coming in....
A final example:
Corley setting a trap for Floyd with a jab and landing a nice follow shot.
The above are all examples of fighters being poised, standing their ground, and thinking WITH Floyd. Using a jab to set up their offense. Now of course, both Zab and Mosley and Corley went on to lose their fights because of Mayweather's adaptability but also because they simple don't have the mental fortitude to stay sharp for a full 12 rounds.
Let's be honest, the idea that it takes pressure + punches to defeat Floyd stems from the Castillo fight - a fight that took place 11 YEARS AGO. We can all agree that Floyd is better than he was 11 friggin' years ago and he's solved this puzzle a long time ago. We've seen boxer after boxer try this same gameplan and they all ended taking an L home for their troubles. Corrales, Castillo II, Baldomir, DLH, Cotto...
Only man to have reasonable success since Castillo was Hatton. But Hatton had great foot speed and was capable of closing the distance quicker than Floyd could react. Hatton didn't have the conditioning to keep it up. Nor did he have the boxing IQ to know what to do once he caught Floyd. It's the dog chasing the car analogy - the dog chases the car but once it catches up to it, it has no idea what to do with itself.
The old 'apply pressure + punches' gameplan needs to be discarded. Thinking with Floyd sounds like a fool's task, but this is the avenue to victory. You have make Floyd come to you and set up your offense with a jab, and get Floyd to fall for your traps.
good thread - the martinez that fought chavez jnr would give him all sorts of problems. Not sure if sergio is capable of that anymore thoughComment
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good threadComment
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Sergio had the natural gifts to apply this game plan: southpaw, considerable height and reach advantage, fast hands, quick feet, good reflexes, powerful counter left, extremely fast and powerful jab, and the ability to faint effectively with the jab. That would have been a great fight at 154, if Sergio were to fully recover from his injuries and achieve full fitness this could still be a very good fight at 160 or a catchweight.
Right now, I could see Erislandy Lara applying this game plan effectively as well.Comment
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these are some things you have to keep in mind about floyd.
- HE WILL NOT GET TIRED
- HE WILL NOT TRADE
- HE THINKS OF DEFENSE MORE THAN OFFENSE
so this is how you beat him.
1. be aggressive, rough house tactics...or else floyd gets time to think
2. stay busy - make floyd fight for every second...or else floyd starts pot shotting you
3. throw 3,4,5 punch combinations...or else floyd ducks and dodges all your shots
4. dont look for a KO...or else floyd will win a UD
5. show no respect whatsoever...or else floyd will start getting more comfortable as the fight goes on
6. train for a 20 round fight...or else floyd will pick you apart once you start gassing.
i believe hatton had the right gameplan. he was aggressive, he was busy, threw lots of combinations, and he showed him no respect. but he got tired and his defense let him down.
fighters who i believe can beat floyd.
- pacquiao
- ortiz
- broner
- khan
essentially what im trying to say is that a fast and aggressive fighter beats floyd.Last edited by crazyboy867; 09-23-2013, 03:10 AM.Comment
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That's not a strategy, it's like saying "you have to outspeed Pacquiao" or "you have to out-punch Golovkin" or "you have to out-hustle Hopkins". Mentality and confidence don't mean **** if you don't have the ability to pull it off. That's some motivational speaker nonsense, not a viable boxing strategy. All you're saying is "you gotta be smarter than Floyd, give him different looks", typical sports bar talk, while showing some gifs of fighters who had limited success for a few rounds. There's no substance, just fantasy, like your avatar and signature.Comment
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Well no *** it takes more than just confidence to win a fight. That goes with saying duh. Which is why I went into specifics boxing strategy. If you don't know what "different looks" means then I don't know what to tell you - because it doesn't sound like you know what that means.
Seems like you think you can apply this strategy (attack a guy at his strength) to everyone and you can't do that. It's not a uniform strategy.
And if you read my post, I comment that said fighters had limited success because they lacked the mentatily to stay sharp and focused over 12 full rounds - and just like that, we're back to mental fortitude... Again, it's not the end-all-be-all but if you don't think mentality can win fights then you're dead wrong. Tim Bradley, Diego Corrales, Arturo Gatti, Pryor, Leonard, Douglas.... all guys that prove you wrong.Comment
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There is no "strategy", it comes down to what boxing is. Landing more punches or knocking out at your opponent.
You need to be better than Floyd at landing punches and not getting punched back. It's that simple, really.
Judah is pretty good at that, that's why he did good with Floyd.
One thing though is the experience. Canelo rocked Mayweather in like the 10th and Floyd bluffed Canelo into thinking it was nothing.Comment
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This whole thread is bull****.
The fact is all these fighters caught him in the early rounds.
If you knew anything you'd know counter punchers are slow starters.
Fair enough you can catch him early but its only because hes warming up, not because you're out thinking him.
Do that in round 10? Thought notComment
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