Danny Garcia vs 140 Miguel Cotto

[GO_4_IT]

those where at 147. cotto was crazy chinny at 140.

He wasn't chinny against a hard hitting Bailey. For all the faults that Cotto has at 140, what about the fact that Danny still can't fight on the inside?

Also, Danny doesn't have a jab. Cotto's defense would work very well against Danny's left hook centric style of fighting as well.

No doubt, this fight would be great, and I don't think Cotto just blows him out the water, but I can't believe how many people think Danny would beat and KO Cotto.

[AntonTheMeh]

He wasn't chinny against a hard hitting Bailey.

and he was against corley, judah, and torres.

For all the faults that Cotto has at 140, what about the fact that Danny still can't fight on the inside?

and when was the last time cotto showed that? throwing a single left hook at a time isn't fighting on the outside. he tries to box, rush in with a combo and step back out of harms way.

Also, Danny doesn't have a jab.

it be hard to be a boxer without a jab. because it isn't as good as someone else doesn't mean he doesn't have one.

Cotto's defense would work very well against Danny's left hook centric style of fighting as well.

what defense? holding his gloves to his face and letting someone get off is defense?

No doubt, this fight would be great, and I don't think Cotto just blows him out the water, but I can't believe how many people think Danny would beat and KO Cotto.

because he's done more then cotto did at 140 and the fight is being talked about here at 140. he should be one belt away from being undisputed jr welterweight champion of the world. cotto one one title at 140. he's also beaten mathysse who's better then anyone cotto beat at 140.

[GO_4_IT]

and he was against corley, judah, and torres.

Corley caught Floyd as well, what's your point? Judah was prime at that point, and Cotto destroyed him. Torres is one of the hardest hitting 140 lb. fighters, ever. He got caught with a punch, recovered, and went onto a TKO victory. You can throw out names, just to throw them out, but that doesn't make Cotto look bad.

and when was the last time cotto showed that? throwing a single left hook at a time isn't fighting on the outside. he tries to box, rush in with a comb and step back out of harms way.

Wow, just wow. You didn't even respond to the part where I said Danny still doesn't have an inside game. Instead, you just typed some words on the screen, and tried to play it off like that's how Cotto fights. OK......

it be hard to be a boxer without a jab. becuase it isn't as good as someone else doesn't mean doesn't have one. what defense? holding his gloves to his face and letting someone get off is defense?

As in, he doesn't have an effective jab. He has an effective left hook counter, but not a jab, which ties into Cotto's defensive style. Cotto wasn't susceptible to the left hook counter.

Wow, that's all you get from watching a Cotto fight? How about the fact that he used spacing, and his jab to time his opponent, and start off his combination shots to the head and body. He used very good movement, something Danny just recently showed. He's can box, slug, fight on the inside, and break you down on the front foot, instead of just waiting for you to attack, and landing counter shots.

Cotto is the much more versatile fighter in my book, and you're severely underrating him, if you think all he was, was some high guard, brawler that would get KOd by Danny.

My God, how people forget.

[AntonTheMeh]

Corley caught Floyd as well, what's your point? Judah was prime at that point, and Cotto destroyed him. Torres is one of the hardest hitting 140 lb. fighters, ever. He got caught with a punch, recovered, and went onto a TKO victory. You can throw out names, just to throw them out, but that doesn't make Cotto look bad.

my point is that 'salways been chinny. and it hasn't been in just those fights. he's been shaky in others. I'm pretty sure that that's what segment of the post was about.

Wow, just wow. You didn't even respond to the part where I said Danny still doesn't have an inside game. Instead, you just typed some words on the screen, and tried to play it off like that's how Cotto fights. OK......

wow just wow? get a grip. we get to talk about danny's not existing inside game, but we don't get to talk about cotto's? that seems fair. you seem particurlarly interested in talking about danny's flaws but not about cotto's.

As in, he doesn't have an effective jab. He has an effective left hook counter, but not a jab, which ties into Cotto's defensive style. Cotto wasn't susceptible to the left hook counter.

lol. so lack of jab ties into cotto's defensive style? how'd he fair against margarito's average jab the first time around? he got left hooked to the body and uppercutted into bolivian.

again i ask you what defensive style? his head movement has for the most part been non existent. there's a reason why the dude's face always swells up in fights.

Wow, that's all you get from watching a Cotto fight? How about the fact that he used spacing, and his jab to time his opponent, and start off his combination shots to the head and body. He used very good movement, something Danny just recently showed. He's can box, slug, fight on the inside, and break you down on the front foot, instead of just waiting for you to attack, and landing counter shots.

I've seen all of his fights. in fact, I've been a big cotto stan for some time ask around. i don't need you to explain the way he fights to me.

Cotto is the much more versatile fighter in my book, and you're severely underrating him, if you think all he was, was some high guard, brawler that would get KOd by Danny.

My God, how people forget.

I'm not underrating anyone. if anyone getting underrated is danny, by you.

[GO_4_IT]

my point is that 'salways been chinny. and it hasn't been in just those fights. he's been shaky in others. I'm pretty sure that that's what segment of the post was about.

Ok, and he got caught, and he came back to knock them all out. Of course, we're only going to talk about the fact that he got caught.

wow just wow? get a grip. we get to talk about danny's not existing inside game, but we don't get to talk about cotto's? that seems fair. you seem particurlarly interested in talking about danny's flaws but not about cotto's.

Haha, relax. You already discussed Cotto's chin, but then you never responded to Danny's lack of an inside game, and instead you painted a picture of Cotto that doesn't exist. Strawman argument at it's finest.

lol. so lack of jab ties into cotto's defensive style? how'd he fair against margarito's average jab the first time around? he got left hooked to the body and uppercutted into bolivian.

Rule #1, his loss against Margarito doesn't matter. You think Danny would've beaten a prime Margarito with plaster in his hands? Not a good look there.

again i ask you what defensive style? his head movement has for the most part been non existent. there's a reason why the dude's face always swells up in fights.
I've seen all of his fights. in fact, I've been a big cotto stan for some time ask around. i don't need you to explain the way he fights to me.

You're acting like he's not a better boxer than Danny. You've seen most of Cotto's fights, so you should definitely be able to tell that he's the better, and more diverse boxer between the 2.

I'm not underrating anyone. if anyone getting underrated is danny, by you.

I've heard it all. So now I'm underrating Danny, because I think Cotto beats him at 140? OK......I give up.

What's next? I'm disrespecting GGG, because I think Marvin Hagler would beat him?

[El Angel]

at people acting like it's an insult to pick Cotto over Garcia. When Cotto wasn't killing himself to make the weight, he wasn't that chinny. Towards the end of his 140 run is when his "chin" issues came up.

[sunny31]

Guys - this is about levels. Cotto is another level, it still irks me how underrated Cotto is. Danny is a very good fighter, but Cotto is a great fighter...period. He has so many more facets to his game. You could tell he was going to be elite from very early on, Garcia is an overachiever, he is just not on the same talent plain as Cotto. Technically, skill wise, defense, speed, power, you could say his chin is better, but that is it. I wouldn't even say stamina, Danny hasn't been truly tested in this respect.

Cotto has fought everyone, there are absolute beasts all over his résumé. Cotto was put in fights where lots of people considered them 50/50, even his first fight at WW against Quintana was hugely dangerous, he destroyed him. Judah was still near the top of his game, destroyed him. Beat a still very good p4p Mosley and boxed. Lost to Margarito in a highly competitive war, again an absolute beast at WW, Clottey beast and champion at WW, both these guys were renound for being 165 pounders on fight night. His one real bad night I would say is Pacquiao, I think there are reasons, but he under performed, plus he caught Pacquiao on his greatest ever night. Mayweather was very competitive, I hate it when people say its because Floyd stood and traded that he got hit, no it's because Cotto is a damn good fighter, guess what he stood in front of Mosley, he stood in front of Marquez, he stood in front of Alvarez, were those fights that competitive?

Cotto's resume at 140 is extremely solid considering it was a short stint.

Torres, Corley, Ndou, Bailey, Malignaggi.

4 out of those 5 went on to win a world title after those fights.

On top this if you actually break the fight down Garcia really doesn't even do anything that has given Cotto problems throughout his career. Cotto would not lunge in like Khan, or plod forward like Matthysse. He would come in behind a jab, and his chin down, with footwork and speed. He would get his feet up to Garcia and work him over on the inside, in fairness he could outbox him from the outside too. Danny is a good fighter, and would give a good account of himself, because he is a tough kid. But I say again, this sport is about levels, and Danny is not on Cotto's.

[AntonTheMeh]

at people acting like it's an insult to pick Cotto over Garcia. When Cotto wasn't killing himself to make the weight, he wasn't that chinny. Towards the end of his 140 run is when his "chin" issues came up.

and who's acting like it's an insult to pick him over danny? the only guy here who's overreacting is someone who pick cotto over garcia. i said he'd outlast him. ya'll are acting like somebody offended your family.

[SkillspayBills]

You aren't "outboxing" DG because his boxing skills are SEVERELY underrated. What a great matchup this would be.

[GO_4_IT]

On top this if you actually break the fight down Garcia really doesn't even do anything that has given Cotto problems throughout his career. Cotto would not lunge in like Khan, or plod forward like Matthysse. He would come in behind a jab, and his chin down, with footwork and speed. He would get his feet up to Garcia and work him over on the inside, in fairness he could outbox him from the outside too. Danny is a good fighter, and would give a good account of himself, because he is a tough kid. But I say again, this sport is about levels, and Danny is not on Cotto's.

Is all I'm saying. Good post.