Can we now get Floyd vs Lara please?

[The Ninth Layer]

I don't want to see two counter punchers face each other. But that's just me.

It's not just you.

Mayweather-Lara is a HORRIBLE style matchup. This isn't even like Mayweather-Marquez where you can at least bet JMM is going to ineffectually go after Floyd all night. This is going to be two guys strafing around each other and exchanging punches in a tactical fight. It'll be piss ugly to watch.

Mayweather is the biggest star of a sport with not a ton of viewers to begin with. Most people who watch him fight are people that don't watch any other boxing matches in the course of a year, or maybe they watch Pacquiao fight too. A lot of them who watched Mayweather-Canelo have probably never seen a boxing match before. They are not going to want to see a tactical fight like the one that Mayweather-Lara would inevitably produce.

Purist fans of the sport may salivate at this one, but they're not going to pay for $200 minimum seats at the MGM to see it, so it'll never be made.

[Bushidō]

it's a somewhat intriguing fight...and I like Lara but fights like the Molina and Martirosyan should worry fans. Also he's got to take another fight vs a name opponent to even have a chance. Maybe fight Trout...I think Lara beats Trout and Canelo if he's on his A game.

[boxfan1983]

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Are we talking about the same Lara that got a gift Draw against Molina after Molina came off a 2 year layoff? The Lara that squeaked out another Draw against Vanes (loves to fight clubfighters) Martirosyan? Or the same Lara that was losing (IMO) to Alfredo (No Mas) Angulo? In the words of Jack Nicholson, "Id rather drink bleach."

[deejd]

Rosado has lost every time he stepped up and even when he should have gotten the decision against Love, he struggled against a decent at best fighter. Why people bring him up is beyond me really.

There is no this current version of Angulo, it's simple but you continue to make excuses, Lara can't fight in the pocket, doesn't move around unpredictably, doesn't get under punches as much as he should, which is why he struggled with Angulo which should have never happened. Trout would have at least kept the fight in the middle of the ring.

You're saying what Lara can't or doesn't do yet claiming he should have never struggled despite these specific deficiencies. I mean, if he has all of these problems that you so astutely pointed out, why is it so hard to believe that Angulo could predict where he was going to go, force him to fight inside, and let leather go upstairs or to the body? Oh... Trout would have? Cool story.

Anyway, Trout's greatest win is a naturally smaller, faded Cotto. Unless Delvin Rodriguez is that impressive to you guys. So again, if he was to ever fight Rosado at '54, who passed up on a title opportunity to fight GGG, Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Vanes.... if PWill [hope he's well] was still competing at '54 -- I'd pick all of them to beat Trout.

I've never seen a natural JMW who fights nothing but '40-'47-pounders get so much praise. Nor have I seen someone get the stamp of approval for beating Delvin Rodriguez. Not to mention how terrible the bout was between the two.

[Doctor_Tenma]

You're saying what Lara can't or doesn't do yet claiming he should have never struggled despite these specific deficiencies. I mean, if he has all of these problems that you so astutely pointed out, why is it so hard to believe that Angulo could predict where he was going to go, force him to fight inside, and let leather go upstairs or to the body? Oh... Trout would have? Cool story.

Anyway, Trout's greatest win is a naturally smaller, faded Cotto. Unless Delvin Rodriguez is that impressive to you guys. So again, if he was to ever fight Rosado at '54, who passed up on a title opportunity to fight GGG, Angulo, Lara, Kirkland, Vanes.... if PWill [hope he's well] was still competing at '54 -- I'd pick all of them to beat Trout.

I've never seen a natural JMW who fights nothing but '40-'47-pounders get so much praise. Nor have I seen someone get the stamp of approval for beating Delvin Rodriguez. Not to mention how terrible the bout was between the two.

Lara should have never struggled due to being the far superior athlete, the tools are there as a boxer but he does not utilize them well and against Angulo I fully expected him to shine. To get cornered like that, to block as oppose to getting under punches to take the middle of the ring, to not mix up his straight left hand and decide to shoot it to the pit of the stomach...it all goes to show that Lara's IQ ain't as great as some make it out to be. He's always been vulnerable inside, Molina proved this, this is why he opts to clinch in close...but the tools he had should have been more than enough not to have gone through what he did against Angulo. He was suppose to circle him, make Angulo lunge and then counter. Instead he backed up straight and Angulo managed to read his movements.

I've seen Rosado lose over and over again, the hype gets tiring on here. The kid has heart that I won't deny him but even Guerrero out boxed him, Rosado ain't fuckin' with Trout.

In the bold, Trout successfully kept Canelo and Cotto in the middle of the ring when they opted to pressure, so don't even tell me Angulo's slow ass would corner him.

[Light_Speed]

Wasn't riding Matthysse... matter of fact, I don't even recall posting in any Garcia-Matts threads leading up to their fight. Delusion at work. I'm not a stan like you, I actually care more about the sport than some goofball who rides a hypetrain.

Yes you did post in a Garcia-Matthysse thread. Matter of fact, you thought Garcia would duck Matthysse :

Hilarious that people actually believe this fight would happen if Matthysse agreed.

And I also found this gem in another Garcia-Matthysse thread :

Khan was dominating that fight. If Khan possessed a chin, he probably would have stopped Garcia late. It took a lucky punch (Swift wasn't even looking when he connected) from a strong puncher combined with a fighter's terrible punch resistance. Tell me what minute in that fight Garcia won before he dropped Khan with that great hook...?

Lucky punch LMAO! You really don't know much about boxing, if the nationalities were reversed you probably would have picked Donaire to beat Rigondeaux.

[Dat]

Wow, this should be one bloody snoozefest. By the time Floyd wins by UD, even the sandman would be asleep.

[deejd]

Lara should have never struggled due to being the far superior athlete, the tools are there as a boxer but he does not utilize them well and against Angulo I fully expected him to shine. To get cornered like that, to block as oppose to getting under punches to take the middle of the ring, to not mix up his straight left hand and decide to shoot it to the pit of the stomach...it all goes to show that Lara's IQ ain't as great as some make it out to be. He's always been vulnerable inside, Molina proved this, this is why he opts to clinch in close...but the tools he had should have been more than enough not to have gone through what he did against Angulo. He was suppose to circle him, make Angulo lunge and then counter. Instead he backed up straight and Angulo managed to read his movements.

I've seen Rosado lose over and over again, the hype gets tiring on here. The kid has heart that I won't deny him but even Guerrero out boxed him, Rosado ain't fuckin' with Trout.

In the bold, Trout successfully kept Canelo and Cotto in the middle of the ring when they opted to pressure, so don't even tell me Angulo's slow ass would corner him.

Canelo doesn't have the same punching power that Angulo has, nor does Cotto. It was much easier for Trout to keep those particular fights in the center of the ring for that very reason. Look at recent performances against power punchers... Macklin, who can't box a lick, was on his bicycle -- back against the ropes and all -- by the end of the first round with GGG. Rosado isn't a boxer and tried to resort to boxing GGG. LPete, who isn't a pure boxer by any means, though has the tools and athleticism that you speak of, was prancing around, back against the ropes in the first round against Matthysse. LPete likes to pressure and work on the inside and he wasn't even able to do that. Garcia even had to move backward and laterally, fighting with his back to the ropes when he fought Matthysse.

Look, these guys with thudding power... is it so hard to believe that they can change and alter game plans at the drop of a punch? Did Lara struggle -- yes. Was he in with a light heavyweight that night -- yes. Did he still deliver clean straight lefts -- yes. Did he outbox and eventually stop Angulo -- yes, he did that, too. What you think he should have done is great and dandy, it's much different on the outside. There's many instances where boxers should box, do box, take some leather, and tire when fighting power punchers. Canelo gassed when he was fighting the almighty Delvin Rodriguez conqueror and he wasn't even taking heavy leather, so imagine what a true '54 or '60 pounder with the slightest inkling of a punch would do.

Funny you bring up Guerrero.... I'd even pick him to beat Trout as well, maybe even Grady Brewer, too. I don't even know where all this Trout hype came from? Haymon has these posters brainwashed, haha! So yes, I'm picking Rosado over Trout yesterday, today, and tomorrow. The guy had all the physical advantages in the world going into the Canelo fight and did nothing with it.

[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

I've also always been of the opinion that Lara is the only guy who could give Floyd a good fight between 140-154. Canelo fighting for the supposed lineal title was a joke when the real #1 contender was either Lara or Molina. Although I thought Molina edge Lara, stylewise I still think Lara stands a much better chance against Mayweather.

Lara is small. He only enters the ring at 160lb. He should try to make a run at 147 and dominate there in order to enter the Mayweather sweepstakes. No way in hell Floyd fights at 154 again.

Lara wanted the Ortiz-Berto winner long ago at 147 but didn't even get the loser.



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[.:: JSFD26 ::.]

He also wanted Martinez but Martinez fought some Euros instead.


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