Why can't (some) posters here distinguish a past prime fighter and a "shot" fighter?

[daggum]

seth mitchell vs jonathon banks past prime
seth mitchell vs arreola shot

nailed it

[Jack Napier]

most people can tell the difference
pretending otherwise is just fodder for flame wars
around here, simply losing a fight makes you "shot"
in the context of conversation, it depends on who you're talking to

[El Malo.]

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around here, simply losing a fight makes you "shot"

No it somehow "exposes" that certain fighter. Cause loosing one fight equals the end of the world. But on the real most kids here don't see the big picture. They only take in what benefits their fav fighter, the rest doesn't really apply if its a negative thing

[baya]

There's also this head-scratcher -- which one was more shot?

Sugar Leonard Vs. Camacho

Or

Vernon Forrest Vs. Charman Sinkfield

[soul_survivor]

Agreed, people need to make a distinction between prime, shot and what "peak" actually means.

When a fighter is at his peak, or any athlete for that matter, they are t their absolute best during a period of their prime, a fighters peak is a portion of their prime. then you have periods before and after a fighters prime, for example, hopkins was pre-prime in the RJJ fight and at his absolute peak during the Tito fight.

Cotto was primed and peaked against Mosley and Marg, slightly past prime by the time he faced Manny but very well past his prime by the time he fought Floyd but not shot. I still don't think Cotto is shot right now.

Mosley though, is a shot fight and has been since after Marg, in the Marg fight he was almost shot but pulled out one last great performance.

I think the best example of a post prime fighter who isn't quite shot yet is Vitali Klitschko.

[FrankieClutch]

No it somehow "exposes" that certain fighter. Cause loosing one fight equals the end of the world. But on the real most kids here don't see the big picture. They only take in what benefits their fav fighter, the rest doesn't really apply if its a negative thing

most people can tell the difference
pretending otherwise is just fodder for flame wars
around here, simply losing a fight makes you "shot"
in the context of conversation, it depends on who you're talking to

Both of these ^^^^ x100000.

For some reason a loss means so much to people on these boards. This is boxing; a sport. Losing happens.... But here at NSB, a loss can take a fighter from ATG status to tomato can/shot fighter real quick!

[Daddy T]

It's all down to agendas for instance I've seen Klit fans bring up ali v berbick as a reason why Vits would beat prime ali ... makes no logical sense but that's what people with agendas do.

[Daddy T]

here's the perfect example:

Hopkins = past prime (he's no longer what he once was but still manages to win most of the time due to knowledge/ring craft/spoiling whatever)

Roy Jones = Shot

[BennyST]

It's all to do with bias, agenda and ******ed fanboyism. Every opponent Floyd has ever faced manages to get called shot one way or another around here, because this place is generally full of ******s.

I've genuinely seen guys serious that Pac faced better versions of Oscar, Mosley, Hatton etc. some people will just never get it or get over their little deluded fantasies. Canelo will be shot if he loses....hell, even if he wins it'll just mean Floyd lost to a shot Canelo.

Oscar vs Pac was as shot as anyone has ever been. He makes Danny Williams look positively brimming with youthful exuberance and peak physical form. That's what a shot fighter is. Cotto vs Floyd does not equal a shot fighter. Mosley was nearly shot vs Floyd, but was shot for manny, Canelo and that Snake guy.

The biggest thing people miss is that shot fighters don't fight well. They don't fight hard, with good reflexes, and look sharp, coordinated and intense. They walk around like zombies, look off balance, have no legs, can't pull the trigger look flat footed and get battered.

[BennyST]

here's the perfect example:

Hopkins = past prime (he's no longer what he once was but still manages to win most of the time due to knowledge/ring craft/spoiling whatever)

Roy Jones = Shot

Yep, excellent choice. Another might be:

Froch/Ward - prime, Kessler - past it, Green - shot.

Wlad - somehow still prime (surely nearing the end though), Vitali - past it, Shannon The asthma cannon Briggs - shot.

Floyd-not prime but not past it, Pac - past it, Marquez - well and truly past it, Morales - shot.