Pro's and Con's: Pacman vs El Terrible

[psychopath]

How could JMM come back to get a draw after he was down 3 times in the 1st? M-Pac faded. I can't say this is the case for most of his fights, but it was against JMM. Serikzhan Yeshmangbetov put M-Pac down back in 2003, a fighter with a 3-6-1 record, so did MAB and Nedal Hussein. He was kayoed by Medgoen Singsurat and Rustico Torrecampo. Morales has faded of his bout at lighter weights, but he has done well at 130 and I can't see this as a problem. I can say one thing, M-Pac has only fought one very good fighter, so the pressure will be on him to step up. We know what Morales will bring. Manny is going might be in trouble.

MAB? Are you halucinating friend? that's right officially DAMN ref Cole called that slip a K.D. but right there on that night during the course of the fight the panelist reviewed that segment over and over again and right there they declared that a Ref's mis call. Including that KD that Pac dealt MAB which again the ref called a slip. Common man let's deal with reality. Watch that fight over and over again watch that first round incident and listen to the panelist while that thing is being replayed in a slomo.

[AIR_KENG]

Yes, excuse me, he did fight two good fighters, but he was being outclassed by JMM for about 10 rounds. Your telling me a bigger stronger fighter with a better resume can't do the same. Let's not for MAB also lost to Junior Jones.

you said it yourself, fighitng styles make the difference. JMM is far more better than erik in terms of counterpunching so manny won't have any problem with that. MAB and manny have almost the same style and that should be a concern for erik. yes, erik is much bigger and stronger than JMM but on the other hand, he is much more slower than JMM. pacquiao had problems with marquez because he was constantly moving, erik does not do that... there goes my point...

[Clay AikSkins]

Sister I am sure you are the expert on nut hugging. If you are so sure that Erik will win perhaps you can put some money where your mouth is...that is if you can get those nuts out 1st.

[m00ks]

Yes, excuse me, he did fight two good fighters, but he was being outclassed by JMM for about 10 rounds. Your telling me a bigger stronger fighter with a better resume can't do the same. Let's not for MAB also lost to Junior Jones.

You said style makes fights and you throw MAB's loss on the table . Jones got ****d by Morales because the latter was quicker and JJ just didn't move when EM threw those overhand rights galore. He got tagged e-v-e-r-y single time.

[morancito]

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?

[m00ks]

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?

1) Marquez didn't outbox Pac for TEN rounds. You're as bad as Guy Jutras.

2) Manny fought one-dimensional, Pac consistantly trying to finish JMM off with one hand and failed. Should be a different story come the rematch.

3) Morales can watch that fight over and over and over again. He can rewind, fast forward, put it in slow mo but he ain't Marquez and counterpunching ain't exactly teh basis of his style. If Morales bases his training on that last fight, the heck would happen if Manny would use two fists?

[AIR_KENG]

Thing is, JMM not only gave "problems" to PacMan, he took him to school for 10 rounds. Marquez soundly outboxed Manny as soon as he figured the Filipino out (around the 3rd. round) Marquez made PacMan look like a one-dimensional fighter, showing off a lot of Manny's flaws in the process. You don't think Morales will watch that video?

thing is, JMM took (as you saw it) 10 rounds to match what manny did in 1 round. he was outboxed alright, that's undeniable, but it is also a fact that counterpunchers usually outbox fighters who comes close and wants to fiight toe-to-toe. that's the maic of counterpunching. alright, erik is going to watch that tape, but do you think he will change his style just because of that? you can't be a power-puncher all your life and then switch styles that quick in 9 weeks... in response to your view as to manny being a 1-dimensional fighter, trying to finish off JMM only with his left, well i can say that that is what you call, "killer instincts"...

[morancito]

1) Marquez didn't outbox Pac for TEN rounds. You're as bad as Guy Jutras.

2) Manny fought one-dimensional, Pac consistantly trying to finish JMM off with one hand and failed. Should be a different story come the rematch.

3) Morales can watch that fight over and over and over again. He can rewind, fast forward, put it in slow mo but he ain't Marquez and counterpunching ain't exactly teh basis of his style. If Morales bases his training on that last fight, the heck would happen if Manny would use two fists?

1. OK so he outboxed him for 8 rounds out of 10 (after the first 2) I prefer the term "took him to school", because that's exactly what JMM did to Pac.

2. I don't know. Should it?

3. Guess we'll just have to wait for March 19th.

[torvix2000]

I'll repeat this post:

JMM-Pac showed that under the most intense counter fire, Pacquiao will still be able to land a lot of his power punches on his opponent.

Marquez only landed 10 more punches than Pac. If Pac can do that to a "perfect" counter puncher like JMM, then we don't have to wonder why Pac was able to pulverize MAB.

And add this:

Is Marquez a "pigeon puncher" (soft puncher) that Pacquiao just shrugged off his most powerful punches despite getting hit flush on the chin? And not just once but a couple of times?

[m00ks]

1. OK so he outboxed him for 8 rounds out of 10 (after the first 2) I prefer the term "took him to school", because that's exactly what JMM did to Pac.

2. I don't know. Should it?

3. Guess we'll just have to wait for March 19th.

1) after seeing the fight 9 times, i had it 7-5 for marquez. you could have seen it differently. 10-6 round 1 should have given Pac the win. Everyone keeps getting caught up with the "DRAMA" of the comeback they forget to watch the fight. but some roudns were close, you couls have very well saw it 8-4 no fault.

2) Well when a fighter uses two hands instead of one, you usually get more success.

3) Yes we'll have to.