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I stated once that i dont remember it and he posted link that didnt work. Youre an idiot who obviously cant follow conversations. Go get a massage or ask for a hug or something cause your anger cant be healthy. Especially when its towards a man you do not knowOriginally posted by junior gong View PostAhh right cheesy, so after page after page of 'where is it, huh?' you get given it and then say 'ah, well I dont care'. What an absolute clown boot!
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Come on dude. WHy not just link to the articles here on NSB where Canelo and ODH said he'd make 152 no problem? Or where he said the fight had to be at 154?Originally posted by richardt View Post
http://www.boxingscene.com/canelo-15...t-floyd--66054Last edited by The Big Dunn; 09-03-2013, 11:19 AM.Comment
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Damage control committee out in full force! 2 guys working overtime!Comment
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I already did. I am looking at the article right now from May 28 of THIS YEAR and Canelo said he cannot do 152. The link does not work on this site. Google the words and you will find it on boxing news 24. Psyching himself up believing he can be comfortable at 152 after the papers are signed doesnt take away what he and his team felt strongly about at the start of negotiations. And it doesn't change the hypocrisy of Mayweather.Originally posted by Arakawa Dunn View PostLast edited by richardt; 09-03-2013, 11:30 AM.Comment
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no it doesn't change either. But it does make your post about Canelo not saying he could make 152 completely wrong.Originally posted by richardt View Post
which brings me back to my initial response to you-you have enough to critiicize floyd for without making thing up to make it worse.Comment
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Mayweather initially asked Canelo for 147. It is on boxing news 24. It is called "Mayweather wanted 147 or 150 for Canelo; Schaefer negotiated 152". Link wont work for this one either.Comment
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Floyd's team brought the CW to the table. Canelo's team accepted it. What is there to argue about?
Ellerbe was doing his job. Canelo's manager did his job (although it could be argued that Floyd had no other options for 9/14 and they could of fought back a little more but it is what it is)
Floyd fought Oscar with several disadvantages. Canelo has brought up smaller fighters time and time again and fought Trout in Texas with open scoring.
Let's see Canelo deal with some adversity for once in his career and see how he responds. If he beats Floyd, he can call the shots.Comment
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No, I just proved that Canelo said he could not make 152 comfortably because it is a dated article with his interview. Everyone knows how psychology works and Canelo stating after the contract is signed that he can make 152 comfortably is him trying to convince himself. Just like Dawson said NO PROBLEM making 168 when he did have problems. I have known Dawson's trainer personally for over 10 years and fighters psych themselves.Originally posted by Arakawa Dunn View PostComment
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By Dan Ambrose: Chepo Reynoso, the trainer for WBA/WBC junior middleweight champion Saul “Canelo” Alvarez (42-0-1, 30 KO’s), says that Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26 KO’s) initially asked for Canelo to fight him at 147 for their September 14th fight in Las Vegas, Nevada.Originally posted by richardt View Post
When he was unable to get Canelo to fight at that weight, he targeted a catch-weight of 150. It was Golden Boy Promotions CEO Richard Schaefer who successfully negotiated the catch-weight of 152 lbs, which just happened to be the original request from Canelo’s team.
They asked for a small two pound catch-weight right off the bat and it was Mayweather who gave ground twice in the negotiations to finally agree to what Team Canelo was asking for.
Canelo’s trainer Reynoso said to ESPN Deports “Mayweather wanted to fight at 147, then 150, and…fortunately Richard Schaefer is a great negotiator and people know that Mayweather is a very attractive fight.”
As you can see, Mayweather was the one that gave ground in a big way to the younger 22-year-old Mexican star. Instead of the fight taking place at 147, which is where arguably should have taken place, Mayweather ended up agreeing to what Canelo’s team’s original request was.
In other words, Mayweather didn’t get Team Canelo to budge at all to meet him halfway. The hallway point from 147 and 154 is 150.5 lbs, and that’s something that Mayweather should have insisted on instead of giving into what Canelo’s team wanted. Mayweather didn’t even ask for a rehydration limit to keep Canelo from rehydrating up to 170 like he did in his last fight in April.
Whether Mayweather will be sorry for not negotiating in a more assertive manner with Canelo remains to be seen, but I think he made a crucial mistake in not sticking to 150.5 as the weight for the fight along with a rehydration clause of 160 to keep Canelo from coming in at 172.
If Mayweather ends up getting crushed by the much heavier Canelo on September 14th then you’ve got to figure that it was the weight that did Mayweather in. That’s the problem with having someone who arguably should be fighting at middleweight fighting welterweights like Mayweather. It’s hard to give that fighter full credit if he wins because gave up much in the negotiations.
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