Canelo's Combinations

[DLT]

This is true. BUT I truly believe Floyd's reflexes and defensive prowess more than make up for the southpaw stance and size. I think it premature to assume it's harder to land on Trout than on the best Defensive fighter of the era.

True but if you know me then you know that Im a big believer in being a Southpaw. I think its the biggest advantage in all of pro sports, e****ally boxing. Most guys just dont know how to fight them. They struggle. Even Southpaws struggle with other Southpaws.

In reverse I always say the same thing about Floyd. Floyd will land & throw more on an orthodox fighter than he will on a Southpaw and defensively, I think Floyd has mastered his D so much that its nearly impossible for an Orthdox fighter to land clean on him.

Cotto did some but most of it was because Floyd was just being super aggressive for like 4 fights. Shane & JMM landed which everyone makes a big deal about but it was only like 2 punches for each guy and they were early, mostly due to Floyd having long layoffs which is not the case for this fight.

Canelo will not land clean much if any so its up to him to land hard shots on Floyd's arm's, gloves, etc.... Basically he's gotta do what his sparring partners said about him. That he's hitting so hard on there arms that they cant lift them or cant throw punches the same way

[ImStillHere]

True but if you know me then you know that Im a big believer in being a Southpaw. I think its the biggest advantage in all of pro sports, e****ally boxing. Most guys just dont know how to fight them. They struggle. Even Southpaws struggle with other Southpaws.

In reverse I always say the same thing about Floyd. Floyd will land & throw more on an orthodox fighter than he will on a Southpaw and defensively, I think Floyd has mastered his D so much that its nearly impossible for an Orthdox fighter to land clean on him.

Cotto did some but most of it was because Floyd was just being super aggressive for like 4 fights. Shane & JMM landed which everyone makes a big deal about but it was only like 2 punches for each guy and they were early, mostly due to Floyd having long layoffs which is not the case for this fight.

Canelo will not land clean much if any so its up to him to land hard shots on Floyd's arm's, gloves, etc.... Basically he's gotta do what his sparring partners said about him. That he's hitting so hard on there arms that they cant lift them or cant throw punches the same way

This would be the ideal game plan. But I don't see anyone hurting Floyd's arms. Imagine how conditioned they'd be after the 1000's of punches he's caught on them over the years.

[ImStillHere]

Ok, tough guy. Sometimes I wonder why I even bother participating in debates on boxingscene. It's getting pathetic.

I'm not trying to be a tough guy. You jump to conclusions about what I know and what? expect me to be nice?

I was trying to have a fair debate like I am with other posters, you came in to this thread on the offensive.

And don't try to denie you were implying that because Canelo could land combinations on the fighters he fought previous to Trout he could do the same on Floyd, yet they were all a much lower level than trout and none were big(or even average sized) JrMW

[DLT]

This would be the ideal game plan. But I don't see anyone hurting Floyd's arms. Imagine how conditioned they'd be after the 1000's of punches he's caught on them over the years.

Thats what my girl tries to say also (she's a judge who knows the sport) but I say that its really all you can if youre a righty and its still a totally different punch. By that I mean Floyd is use to catching & blocking those punches but 99% of the time its from guys trying to find an opening by hitting his face or body so the power isnt the same.

Or they see Floyd rolling it so they take some off of it at the last second to try to place it somewhere else. Its different from someway actually just throwing hard and not truly aiming, caring where it lands, or purposely trying to hit him there. Id imagine that those punches may hurt Floyd's arms & shoulders more

[ImStillHere]

Thats what my girl tries to say also (she's a judge who knows the sport) but I say that its really all you can if youre a righty and its still a totally different punch. By that I mean Floyd is use to catching & blocking those punches but 99% of the time its from guys trying to find an opening by hitting his face or body so the power isnt the same.

Or they see Floyd rolling it so they take some off of it at the last second to try to place it somewhere else. Its different from someway actually just throwing hard and not truly aiming, caring where it lands, or purposely trying to hit him there. Id imagine that those punches may hurt Floyd's arms & shoulders more

Yes that is a valid point.

You seem an unbiased and Knowledgeable fan so I ask, do you think Floyd will be able to hurt Canelo? He hurt Oscar(buckled his knees with counter right on the ropes) Cotto (could have gotten rid of him in the 12th) and we know he hurt his hand against Ghost.

Im not making an argument that it will happen but I don't think its out of the realm of possibility.

What you think?

[leathernvouges]

I believe the only way he starts ripping combos off is if Floyd or anybody else just stands in front of him but when Floyd tries that shoulder roll defense on the ropes that'll b a good time to let his hands go to the body then head but Floyd moves to much remember he has a high connect percentage just like Floyd so he will only throw what he thinks he'll land

[DLT]

Yes that is a valid point.

You seem an unbiased and Knowledgeable fan so I ask, do you think Floyd will be able to hurt Canelo? He hurt Oscar(buckled his knees with counter right on the ropes) Cotto (could have gotten rid of him in the 12th) and we know he hurt his hand against Ghost.

Im not making an argument that it will happen but I don't think its out of the realm of possibility.

What you think?

Im a huge Floyd fan. Been my favorite ever since I saw him in his very 1st fight but Im a bigger boxing fan and I alway try to be unbiased. I went to see Canelo-Trout and Floyd-Ghost (also alot of other fights around that same time and Ill be in Vegas for this one although I may not pay to go to the fight).

I think Floyd is capable of hurting him but it depends on hos offensive/defensive he plans to be and if he will get more aggressive late in the fight when Canelo fades or chooses to coast to a victory. Canelo may have a solid chin but everyone's chin gets weaker as they fatigue.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Floyd hurt him or even stop him but Floyd is a very small guy and one day these huge guys may just be too big for him. He doesnt get enough credit for fighting these massive guys. Canelo is great but the only reason why anyone thinks he can win is because of the 20 plus pounds he'll have on Floyd on fight night.

Thats pretty much the same for any of his opponents. He's so good that anyone from WW on down is seen as a cherry pick or an unfair fight even though nearly all of them including the 140 pounders are bigger than him. The only way that its a fair fight with him is he has to fight guys at 154 or 160 and give away a ton of weight which really isnt fair

[DoubleMM]

Im a huge Floyd fan. Been my favorite ever since I saw him in his very 1st fight but Im a bigger boxing fan and I alway try to be unbiased. I went to see Canelo-Trout and Floyd-Ghost (also alot of other fights around that same time and Ill be in Vegas for this one although I may not pay to go to the fight).

I think Floyd is capable of hurting him but it depends on hos offensive/defensive he plans to be and if he will get more aggressive late in the fight when Canelo fades or chooses to coast to a victory. Canelo may have a solid chin but everyone's chin gets weaker as they fatigue.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Floyd hurt him or even stop him but Floyd is a very small guy and one day these huge guys may just be too big for him. He doesnt get enough credit for fighting these massive guys. Canelo is great but the only reason why anyone thinks he can win is because of the 20 plus pounds he'll have on Floyd on fight night.

Thats pretty much the same for any of his opponents. He's so good that anyone from WW on down is seen as a cherry pick or an unfair fight even though nearly all of them including the 140 pounders are bigger than him. The only way that its a fair fight with him is he has to fight guys at 154 or 160 and give away a ton of weight which really isnt fair

don't be surprised if Floyd starts becoming very aggressive and even walks Canelo down after round 8. I believe this will be the case.

[ImStillHere]

Im a huge Floyd fan. Been my favorite ever since I saw him in his very 1st fight but Im a bigger boxing fan and I alway try to be unbiased. I went to see Canelo-Trout and Floyd-Ghost (also alot of other fights around that same time and Ill be in Vegas for this one although I may not pay to go to the fight).

I think Floyd is capable of hurting him but it depends on hos offensive/defensive he plans to be and if he will get more aggressive late in the fight when Canelo fades or chooses to coast to a victory. Canelo may have a solid chin but everyone's chin gets weaker as they fatigue.

I wouldnt be surprised to see Floyd hurt him or even stop him but Floyd is a very small guy and one day these huge guys may just be too big for him. He doesnt get enough credit for fighting these massive guys. Canelo is great but the only reason why anyone thinks he can win is because of the 20 plus pounds he'll have on Floyd on fight night.

Thats pretty much the same for any of his opponents. He's so good that anyone from WW on down is seen as a cherry pick or an unfair fight even though nearly all of them including the 140 pounders are bigger than him. The only way that its a fair fight with him is he has to fight guys at 154 or 160 and give away a ton of weight which really isnt fair

Brilliant reply!!!!

I agree on the double, no, triple standard Floyd has when it comes to his opposition.

I know this is an almost impossible question to answer but do you think Canelo is a big as threat with one shot as Victor Ortiz.

And bare with me here, I never usually get to talk with a non fanboy Floyd fan like me. Whats your favorite performance of his?

Mine despite the lack of competition will always be against Jerry Copper. The jab to the body that drops him is astounding.

[ImStillHere]

don't be surprised if Floyd starts becoming very aggressive and even walks Canelo down after round 8. I believe this will be the case.

If Floyd decides Canelo is more effective going forward than going backwards he will walk him down all night. Thats what he was doing against Ortiz.