Canelo's key to victory is DEFENSE, not offense

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  • cupocity303
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    Canelo's key to victory is DEFENSE, not offense

    Replaying the Canelo-Trout fight, the commentary doesn't match what's happening in the ring (just listen to Malignaggie and Al Bernstein: When he is not punching and using defense, he is tired and needs to be more active.), spoon feeding some of our lower IQ members to believe that Alvarez is just slightly better than your run-off-the-mill plodding Mexican. It didn't fit the narrative that he actually displayed great (underrated) defense, which is what won him the fight more so than the offense - against a much taller, southpaw, Slick-Boxing type fighter. That's the narrative if you look at some of the comments made for this fight; That this fight will be one-sided drubbing (nonsense, this fight has a close, split decision written all over it); That Canelo will have to be Ultra-Aggressive and "put pressure" on Floyd to win the fight. That this is all he can do or has to do to win the fight.

    No, it's actually the opposite. What he needs to do is NOT put pressure on Floyd to win the fight. What you're doing with that preconceived notion is basically giving away half the victory. It's almost like some feel that Floyd himself doesn't have to be really OFFENSIVE and try to land punches, but only his opponent does. NONSENSE. What Canelo needs to do is NOT fall into Floyd's trap by coming forward, making him look good by backing up and using his traditional defense & counter. What he needs to do is use that previously mentioned defense and keep the fight in the middle of the ring, making it a low-connect percentage Chess match. And if Floyd wants to or feels compelled to come forward ( a la Vs Zab Judah & Sharmbe Mitchell), then let him do it. Otherwise, stay in the middle of the ring.

    It's almost like some feel that all Floyd himself has to do is coast and react off of what his opponent is trying to do, forgetting that he himself has to also be impressive offensively & land clean punches. And we all know that he is at his most impressive when half the work is being done for him, with his opponent obliging him by trying too hard with pressure and combination punch attempts (unless is a C level fighter like Gatti. This is where Gatti tried to Box and Floyd was ultra-offensive, displaying his entire arsenal of punches. NO, Alvarez is not Gatti).
    Last edited by cupocity303; 08-31-2013, 06:11 PM.
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    I believe this will be Canelo's gameplan actually, but I don't think it will be effective. Floyd won't budge and he'll do just enough to win the rounds if need be by fighting from a distance. Even a poised and smart veteran like Juan Manuel Marquez had to play the unfamiliar role of the aggressor eventually which lead to Floyd winning every single round.

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    • James_Toney
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      #3
      i didn't read that long ass post....

      but your right in regards to canelo being far more technically gifted than he's being credited for....

      canelo's and accurate puncher, and has very good defensive skills.... he moves his head well, and stays tight.... he's a real threat.
      Last edited by James_Toney; 08-31-2013, 06:28 PM.

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      • bojangles1987
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        I don't think Alvarez is nearly good enough at focusing on defense while at the same time winning rounds to pull of making Mayweather come at him. We aren't talking Austin Trout here, which doesn't play in Alvarez's favor anyway since he struggled greatly with Trout. We're talking Floyd Mayweather. He will be more than happy to shoot the accurate right hand when it's there and win rounds while Alvarez tries to be Sweet Pea.

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        • Imatroll
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          Obviously Canelo doesn't need to put the "pressure" on Floyd right from the bell. He needs to use effective pressure. He obviously has the size advantage against Floyd and Canelo would be ****** not to use this.

          You're 100% wrong about the chess match. If Canelo does this he will lose. Floyd is a counter-puncher and if Canelo stands with him in the middle of the ring, Floyd will just Counter him all night and win most of the exchanges.

          Canelo needs to make it ugly, use his jab, cut the ring off and pin him against the ropes. Corner Mayweather against the ropes is key for victory as his body's wide open for combinations. In the middle of the ring Floyd will duck and dodge shots but against the ropes, he will eats shots to the body. Canelo can also use his size advantage and bully Floyd.

          You're saying defense is Key but lets look at some compuBox stats. Trout threw 769 punches against Canelo. Floyd threw only 476 against Guerrero. Floyd's punch output is very average. He doesn't throw often and doesn't have the power to trouble Canelo. Trout is a bigger man than Floyd and if he didn't phase Canelo, you really think Mayweather's 1-2 punches will do any damage? Canelo needs to work on his offense rather than his defense.

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          • IronDanHamza
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            #6
            Originally posted by bojangles1987
            I don't think Alvarez is nearly good enough at focusing on defense while at the same time winning rounds to pull of making Mayweather come at him. We aren't talking Austin Trout here, which doesn't play in Alvarez's favor anyway since he struggled greatly with Trout. We're talking Floyd Mayweather. He will be more than happy to shoot the accurate right hand when it's there and win rounds while Alvarez tries to be Sweet Pea.
            I don't think Canelo is that good defensively anyway.

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            • cupocity303
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              Originally posted by James_Toney
              i didn't read that long ass post....

              but your right in regards to canelo being far more technically gifted than he's being credited for....

              canelo's and accurate puncher, and has very good defensive skills.... he moves his head well, and stays tight.... he a real threat.
              You didn't read that long ass post (even though that's half the part of being on a forum, reading more so than writing) but chose to comment on it, expecting others to read yours, even though it's full of grammatical and spelling errors with no consideration for the reader. Well, consider yourself canned from this thread.

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                Originally posted by _original_
                I believe this will be Canelo's gameplan actually, but I don't think it will be effective. Floyd won't budge and he'll do just enough to win the rounds if need be by fighting from a distance. Even a poised and smart veteran like Juan Manuel Marquez had to play the unfamiliar role of the aggressor eventually which lead to Floyd winning every single round.
                Marquez doesn't have Canelo's hand speed or defense. This is why although I give the edge to Mayweather, Canelo can cause him some trouble.

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                • bojangles1987
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                  #9
                  Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                  I don't think Canelo is that good defensively anyway.
                  Same. He looked better than expected against Trout, but Mayweather isn't going to paw tentatively like that.

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                    #10
                    Originally posted by Cupo303
                    Replaying the Canelo-Trout fight, the commentary doesn't match what's happening in the ring (just listen to Malignaggie and Al Bernstein: When he is not punching and using defense, he is tired and needs to be more active.), spoon feeding some of our lower IQ members to believe that Alvarez is just slightly better than your run-off-the-mill plodding Mexican. It didn't fit the narrative that he actually displayed great (underrated) defense, which is what won him the fight more so than the offense - against a much taller, southpaw, Slick-Boxing type fighter. That's the narrative if you look at some of the comments made for this fight; That this fight will be one-sided drubbing (nonsense, this fight has a close, split decision written all over it); That Canelo will have to be Ultra-Aggressive and "put pressure" on Floyd to win the fight. That this is all he can do or has to do to win the fight.

                    No, it's actually the opposite. What he needs to do is NOT put pressure on Floyd to win the fight. What you're doing with that preconceived notion is basically giving away half the victory. It's almost like some feel that Floyd himself doesn't have to be really OFFENSIVE and try to land punches, but only his opponent does. NONSENSE. What Canelo needs to do is NOT fall into Floyd's trap by coming forward, making him look good by backing up and using his traditional defense & counter. What he needs to do is use that previously mentioned defense and keep the fight in the middle of the ring, making it a low-connect percentage Chess match. And if Floyd wants to or feels compelled to come forward ( a la Vs Zab Judah & Sharmbe Mitchell), then let him do it. Otherwise, stay in the middle of the ring.

                    It's almost like some feel that all Floyd himself has to do is coast and react off of what his opponent is trying to do, forgetting that he himself has to also be impressive offensively & land clean punches. And we all know that he is at his most impressive when half the work is being done for him, with his opponent obliging him by trying too hard with pressure and combination punch attempts (unless is a C level fighter like Gatti. This is where Gatti tried to Box and Floyd was ultra-offensive, displaying his entire arsenal of punches. NO, Alvarez is not Gatti).
                    Gatti was shot and waaaay past his prime. As is 99% of floyds opponents! Gatti C class....LOL!
                    Floyd Cherry picks weakness. Plain and simple. How great to you have to be to win fights like that!

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