Comments Thread For: Photos: Canelo Grinds Hard at Big Bear Training Camp

[El Chicano]

I recall reading that Canelo is going to wait until Floyd throws and then he's going to throw with him. I might be remembering wrong though.

You know I was actually thinking about that this weekend. Canelo would be well off taking this approach, sort of what Danny Garcia did to Amir Khan. Khan was too fast for Danny early, but when Danny started to just let his hands go, and punched with Amir, he caught him in the exchange. Nobody punches "with" Floyd. They get caught up in this cat/mouse game and never are able to catch him. Canelo just needs to swing with Floyd, he may be able to catch him with a Super ****** Hook and hurt Floyd like we've never seen before.

[brick wall]

Assuming that this is the strategy Canelo employs, what's Canelo's Plan B once Floyd makes an adjustment?

This is the problem every Mayweather opponent has: Floyd recognizes what you're doing and is adept at adjusting. Find something that seems to work, and he's going to take it away from you. He has done it time and time again, so unless the fight ends quickly, there's no reason to believe that Floyd won't be able to make adjustments based on what Canelo is showing him.

The Mosley bout is the perfect example of Floyd's ability to adjust. Floyd's detractors correctly point to the fight as evidence that Floyd is human. Shane did have Floyd seriously hurt in the second round. But what happened in Round 2 of their fight is less important than what happened in Round 3.

i agree with you that floyd is good at making adjustments but he doesn't really make a lot. his adjustments has always been to use the ring. throw one or two potshots and move out...rinse and repeat. the problem with that is his opponents really were not able to figure that out. they simply can't keep up.

what i was trying to say is...make floyd fight our of his gameplan or out of his comfort zone. don't attack him...let him lead. you see floyd always watches his opponent's foot movements. if you take a step forward, he catches you with the right hand even before you can throw a punch. he's already countering you for just taking a step forward...he's that fast with his hands. and before you can throw a punch he's already out of reach.

so how do you fight a guy like that? you already know his strong points...why give it to him? don't take the fight to him which he could easily figure out and make the adjustments. let him take the fight to you...i doubt he even trains for something like that or make that as part of his gameplan. maybe he does but it's not something he does best or something he expects from his opponent. you just need to be patient doing something like that though...the boos could be very loud especially if floyd refuses to take the lead too.

[dc3383]

i agree with you that floyd is good at making adjustments but he doesn't really make a lot. his adjustments has always been to use the ring. throw one or two potshots and move out...rinse and repeat. the problem with that is his opponents really were not able to figure that out. they simply can't keep up.

what i was trying to say is...make floyd fight our of his gameplan or out of his comfort zone. don't attack him...let him lead. you see floyd always watches his opponent's foot movements. if you take a step forward, he catches you with the right hand even before you can throw a punch. he's already countering you for just taking a step forward...he's that fast with his hands. and before you can throw a punch he's already out of reach.

so how do you fight a guy like that? you already know his strong points...why give it to him? don't take the fight to him which he could easily figure out and make the adjustments. let him take the fight to you...i doubt he even trains for something like that or make that as part of his gameplan. maybe he does but it's not something he does best or something he expects from his opponent. you just need to be patient doing something like that though...the boos could be very loud especially if floyd refuses to take the lead too.

You make alot excellent points and with Canelos already low punch output he would be better suited to do that. Canelo's footwork may be his downfall if he employs that strategy. He won't be able to just stand there and make Floyd miss like he did Trout. You have to be able to move if you are going to allow the other guy to lead while Canelo has quick hands he doesn't have quick feet.

[TheMexHurricane]

not a bad plan, although

the ghost did that and won the first two rounds,

then floyd started moving and exiting quickly and the ghost did nothing as

his feet were planted..

you have to move and use footwork to get to floyd...

without footwork you could hit like a truck, floyd wont be there to be hit

Very good analysis.

[Doctor_Tenma]

You know I was actually thinking about that this weekend. Canelo would be well off taking this approach, sort of what Danny Garcia did to Amir Khan. Khan was too fast for Danny early, but when Danny started to just let his hands go, and punched with Amir, he caught him in the exchange. Nobody punches "with" Floyd. They get caught up in this cat/mouse game and never are able to catch him. Canelo just needs to swing with Floyd, he may be able to catch him with a Super ****** Hook and hurt Floyd like we've never seen before.

Khan is too much of a combination puncher, that's what allowed Garcia to have success doing that. Marquez tried punching with Floyd, all that did was limit his own counter punching opportunities as Floyd didn't offer much more than a jab. What Canelo needs to do is make Mayweather's defense ***********al by hitting him on the arms, shoulder or even rabbit punching, make him a little disoriented. It's difficult to punch with someone who isn't offering much, isn't within range and is the far superior athlete; boxer. Canelo has good enough timing that he's able to get away with telegraphing the counter left hook or lead right hand, but Floyd will read him like a book when he attempts that, he'll feint him, force Canelo to have to reset.

Canelo simply needs to take it to Floyd. He has the youth, strength, size, two handed attack (Cotto doesn't have a right hand) and the skill to be more successful than some of Mayweather's past opponents. My only issue with Canelo is that he isn't fast on his feet. Recently someone who sparred both of them said Canelo may have improved but he's still slow on his foot and cited that as the reason why Mayweather will win.

[MDPopescu]

not a bad plan, although

the ghost did that and won the first two rounds,

then floyd started moving and exiting quickly and the ghost did nothing as

his feet were planted..

you have to move and use footwork to get to floyd...

without footwork you could hit like a truck, floyd wont be there to be hit

... This is pretty much the right diagnosis. It's of common knowledge, but that's it.
I still maintain that Canelo plans to take Floyd out in the opening rounds. If Floyd isn't there to be hit we'll have the usual déjà vu.

[RawDawgHasSpokn]

... This is pretty much the right diagnosis. It's of common knowledge, but that's it.
I still maintain that Canelo plans to take Floyd out in the opening rounds. If Floyd isn't there to be hit we'll have the usual déjà vu.

I also feel that is his best bet. Come round 4 it will just be another clinic.

[Simurgh]

Although I am expecting Floyd to take UD many here underestimate Canelo.

He's better than he appears - many of his opponents said that. His last performance wasn't his best one, but I do believe he'll be much better prepared now.

Also I remember GGG saying that Canelo is the best fighter he ever sparred with and GGG sparred with lots of very good fighters.

To sum up, I am looking forward for this one. It won't be easy for Floyd that's for sure.

[twosweethooks]

Well boys we are gitting down to the Nut cuttin, where one or the other will cut the others nuts and throw them to the dogs !

Whose gonna win ???

I hope Canelo Knocks JR OUT !!!!!!!!!!!!

[nathan_nall]

I've never picked Floyd to lose. I've always hoped he would... but I've never bet against him. The moment I read that Floyd had decided to give Canelo the shot I had two thoughts:

"Wow, for once Floyd shut everyone's mouth by taking on the most legitimate threat to him not named Manny Pacquiao. The man has balls!"

and

"And he's going to lose this one."

I think Canelo has him out on his feet around Round 9 and ref stops it.