Ali vs wlad. Who wins

[Reloaded]

Of course Ali was faster, I'm aware of his speed as well. I was never thinking about Klitschko looking for a KO. Ali was faster, but also smaller and Wlad would be out of his reach. Speed isn't enough to beat someone like Wladimir. It's the aggressiveness that could potentially cause him problems. Both of them are/were very hard to hit, it's just that I give advantage to Wladimir due to his size and the fact he's so good defensively. I see Wlad winning a comfortable UD in a very boring match. That's what I think at least.

Speed is not enough lol , Ali had it all and could fight for 15 rounds , iron chin , boxing IQ , good power and speed with accuracy the likes of Vlad has never seen before , Vlad happens to be in the weakest HW era ever , Ali was in the strongest .

Ali wins a UD clearly .

[Ray Corso]

This is how and why Ali wins! There is NO ONE who is/was like Ali! No heavy has ever moved his hands and feet like Ali, not even close!!!! Wlad is like many other fighters style wise and his size other than his jab would work against him with Ali. The differences in coordination alone is huge!
I get tired of the young fans yaking about size in the heavy division, Ali had atleast a 80in. reach how is that a height disadvantage? At 6'3" his movement would have Wlad stepping over his lead foot all nite! When did you ever see Wlad track an opponent using double & triple jabs?
Wlads would be stopped on cuts and abrasions, Ali would have him bruised up badly inside of 10 rounds! I would expect Wlad to try hard but he'd be over his head!!! Ali had freakish conditioning and in his prime NEVER tired, he would have that over Wlad to the work rates would be very lopsided.
Bottom line, Wlad a second tier talent in the history of Heavies, Ali top 5!!!
Ray.

[U_TALKING_2_ME?]

This is how and why Ali wins! There is NO ONE who is/was like Ali! No heavy has ever moved his hands and feet like Ali, not even close!!!! Wlad is like many other fighters style wise and his size other than his jab would work against him with Ali. The differences in coordination alone is huge!
I get tired of the young fans yaking about size in the heavy division, Ali had atleast a 80in. reach how is that a height disadvantage? At 6'3" his movement would have Wlad stepping over his lead foot all nite! When did you ever see Wlad track an opponent using double & triple jabs?
Wlads would be stopped on cuts and abrasions, Ali would have him bruised up badly inside of 10 rounds! I would expect Wlad to try hard but he'd be over his head!!! Ali had freakish conditioning and in his prime NEVER tired, he would have that over Wlad to the work rates would be very lopsided.
Bottom line, Wlad a second tier talent in the history of Heavies, Ali top 5!!!
Ray.

School these youngsters Ray, everybody is on about size.

Wlad fought Haye and could do really nothing with him, now picture Ali the most mobile and fluid heavyweight ever in there with Wlad.

No contest Ali all day.

[Sosay]

Nothing against Wlad but Ali makes him look rather silly. You guys would probably call him boring but he boxes Wlad ears off. Too fast to quick.

[Cutthroat]

90% of the people who picked Wlad in this thread picked him because he's "big and strong" lmfao, just shows how much they know about boxing.

[BTL]

Ali would have trouble getting by wlads jab, wlads too big too strong.

[Hitman932]

The people in this thread picking Ali hardly make any valid points. Nobody has even been able to identify exactly which version of Ali was prime.

It sounds like most of you are taking the speed he had when he was young and adding the experience and durability of his later years to create a version of Ali that never existed.

Wlad is too slow for Ali..... please

Wlad is now 9 years older than Ali was when he lost to a plodding come forward HW named Joe Frazier and 7 years older than Ali was when he was outboxed by Ken Norton (yup the same guy who was KO'd in a heartbeat by Gerry Cooney)

Lacedup made the idiotic point that if Chambers can last 11.9 round against Wlad than Ali certainly could.

Well if Chuck Wepner can last 14.9 rounds with Ali than I am sure Wlad can make it the distance without too much trouble as well.

Also - people that are picking a fantasy matchup to end on cuts are probably a few nuts short of a bushel.

PS - a resume never won a boxing match in the history of the sport so anyone bringing it up may as well start a new thread with their completely unrelated point.

[LacedUp]

The people in this thread picking Ali hardly make any valid points. Nobody has even been able to identify exactly which version of Ali was prime.

It sounds like most of you are taking the speed he had when he was young and adding the experience and durability of his later years to create a version of Ali that never existed.

Wlad is too slow for Ali..... please

Wlad is now 9 years older than Ali was when he lost to a plodding come forward HW named Joe Frazier and 7 years older than Ali was when he was outboxed by Ken Norton (yup the same guy who was KO'd in a heartbeat by Gerry Cooney)

Lacedup made the idiotic point that if Chambers can last 11.9 round against Wlad than Ali certainly could.

Well if Chuck Wepner can last 14.9 rounds with Ali than I am sure Wlad can make it the distance without too much trouble as well.

Also - people that are picking a fantasy matchup to end on cuts are probably a few nuts short of a bushel.

PS - a resume never won a boxing match in the history of the sport so anyone bringing it up may as well start a new thread with their completely unrelated point.

Hahahaha.

You are doing exactly that! Wlad would be able to reach Ali with his jab because he throws it twice as often as Liston? Lol. Wlad's jab stinks compared to Liston's left hammer.

And we are talking prime for prime here, if I'm not mistaken, Chuck Wepner fought a very war-torn Ali after the Foreman fight. Clearly a very different fighter to the one that beat up Ernie Terrell, Cleveland Williams, Zora Folley, Jerry Quarry, Liston etc etc. Chambers, fat and out of shape, went 11.9 rounds with a prime Wlad. And btw, I picked Ali on points, so I'm not sure what your genius argument is?

But then again, most of your posts make no sense.

Just answer this, if a prime Wlad couldn't KD, hurt og really land that much on David Haye, how would you expect it to go vs a '66 Ali? Too much speed and movement. To sharp a jab and good power to go with it.

Wlad would simply run out of time.

[Counter Troll]

The people in this thread picking Ali hardly make any valid points. Nobody has even been able to identify exactly which version of Ali was prime.

It sounds like most of you are taking the speed he had when he was young and adding the experience and durability of his later years to create a version of Ali that never existed.

Wlad is too slow for Ali..... please

Wlad is now 9 years older than Ali was when he lost to a plodding come forward HW named Joe Frazier and 7 years older than Ali was when he was outboxed by Ken Norton (yup the same guy who was KO'd in a heartbeat by Gerry Cooney)

Lacedup made the idiotic point that if Chambers can last 11.9 round against Wlad than Ali certainly could.

Well if Chuck Wepner can last 14.9 rounds with Ali than I am sure Wlad can make it the distance without too much trouble as well.

Also - people that are picking a fantasy matchup to end on cuts are probably a few nuts short of a bushel.

PS - a resume never won a boxing match in the history of the sport so anyone bringing it up may as well start a new thread with their completely unrelated point.

errhhhmm sir... You do realize that we're comparing Ali to a guy that lost every second of every round in his match with a tubby part-time golfer who was nearly 40 years old, right?

[soul_survivor]

errhhhmm sir... You do realize that we're comparing Ali to a guy that lost every second of every round in his match with a tubby part-time golfer who was nearly 40 years old, right?

what you need to know is that Wlad was not primed then. A primed, fit, hulking beast that is Wlad would stomp Ali into the ground and then some.