Ali vs wlad. Who wins

[DreamFighter]

retires Wlad by tko.

[LacedUp]

And almost all of those were jabs, through individually, not in combinations.

Did anyone ever land single jabs against prime Ali? Or even 70s Ali? Liston had a far more effective jab than Wladimir and he was pawing at air with it all night.

Nobody landed at all vs prime ali.

Depending on when we are talking though. I'm saying 64-67 From the first Liston fight to his excile. I don't remember anyone landing particularly frequent. Even sizable guys like Folley were made to look like mugs.

Though there's an obvious difference in skill level. Quick guys like Patterson didn't land either.

[LacedUp]

Prime Ali takes an easy wide UD. Just too much speed, skills and everything...

I don't believe Wlad would be stopped though.

I don't think he would stop him either. Unless Wlad got way too frustrated and tired himself out. But he's obviously in ridiculous shape so I don't see that happening either.

[Hitman932]

And almost all of those were jabs, through individually, not in combinations.

Did anyone ever land single jabs against prime Ali? Or even 70s Ali? Liston had a far more effective jab than Wladimir and he was pawing at air with it all night.

Prime Ali was Cassius Clay.

If you think Liston had a more effective jab than Wlad you are an idiot. His jab may have been harder, but it was slower, and nowhere near as accurate as Wlad's. Plus Wlad throws it about twice as often as Liston ever did. Liston used it to work his way inside, Wlad uses it to control distance from the outside.

Your observations are utter horse **** and clearly you just don't like Wladimir.

As far as picking a winner. I don't see the point, if they fought ten times neither guy would win ten times.

Ali had a horrible habit of backing straight out, or just leaning away from punches. No big deal when you are fighting guys who are consistently 6'2 and under with short arms and no jab.

Wladimir would be able to reach Ali in situations where nobody who Ali fought ever was able to. That is really the biggest factor in whether or not Wlad would be successful against Ali.

Also - you ask when did anyone ever hit Ali with a jab?

Why don't you also ask when was the last time anyone landed a single significant punch with either hand against Wladimir. It's been a long time since that happened.

[LacedUp]

Prime Ali was Cassius Clay.

If you think Liston had a more effective jab than Wlad you are an idiot. His jab may have been harder, but it was slower, and nowhere near as accurate as Wlad's. Plus Wlad throws it about twice as often as Liston ever did. Liston used it to work his way inside, Wlad uses it to control distance from the outside.

Your observations are utter horse **** and clearly you just don't like Wladimir.

As far as picking a winner. I don't see the point, if they fought ten times neither guy would win ten times.

Ali had a horrible habit of backing straight out, or just leaning away from punches. No big deal when you are fighting guys who are consistently 6'2 and under with short arms and no jab.

Wladimir would be able to reach Ali in situations where nobody who Ali fought ever was able to. That is really the biggest factor in whether or not Wlad would be successful against Ali.

Also - you ask when did anyone ever hit Ali with a jab?

Why don't you also ask when was the last time anyone landed a single significant punch with either hand against Wladimir. It's been a long time since that happened.

Nobody is doubting that Ali made a huge amount of technical errors, in terms of textbook boxing. And you say Wlad use his jab as measuring - not very hard to do with a static target.

You also negate the fact that Ali was probably the best ever in terms of measuring distance. See his fight vs Zora Folley as an example. At the same time he threw his jab just as frequent as Wlad, but much quicker. Another thing you completely neglect is Wlad's inablity to effectively target the body - something that would fall right into the hands of Ali who would be able to move around for rounds upon rounds. If Wlad couldn't land on Haye, what makes you think he can land on Ali?

With regards to the last question:

Haye rnd 3 & 12. Wach round 8. Even Pianeta landed a right hand on Wlad. But he certainly doesn't get hit that often- but neither did a prime Ali. Against equal if not better opposition.

[Suavecito80]

Nobody is doubting that Ali made a huge amount of technical errors, in terms of textbook boxing. And you say Wlad use his jab as measuring - not very hard to do with a static target.

You also negate the fact that Ali was probably the best ever in terms of measuring distance. See his fight vs Zora Folley as an example. At the same time he threw his jab just as frequent as Wlad, but much quicker. Another thing you completely neglect is Wlad's inablity to effectively target the body - something that would fall right into the hands of Ali who would be able to move around for rounds upon rounds. If Wlad couldn't land on Haye, what makes you think he can land on Ali?

With regards to the last question:

Haye rnd 3 & 12. Wach round 8. Even Pianeta landed a right hand on Wlad. But he certainly doesn't get hit that often- but neither did a prime Ali. Against equal if not better opposition.

Ali would win and would toy with Wlad. Don't even bring opposition into it. It wouldn't be fair.

[SBleeder]

If you think Liston had a more effective jab than Wlad you are an idiot. His jab may have been harder, but it was slower, and nowhere near as accurate as Wlad's. Plus Wlad throws it about twice as often as Liston ever did. Liston used it to work his way inside, Wlad uses it to control distance from the outside.

LOL. You need to watch some prime Liston.

You're saying Liston only threw 11-12 jabs per round? Because that would be about half as many as Wlad throws in a typical round.

Slower? Liston's jab was quicker than Wladimir's and even a cursory look at footage makes that clear.

[bklynboy]

Haye is similar in size to Ali correct?
Imo its more wlads size and style mix that make him somewhat difficult.
He has good skill in his 1-2,
But has no inside game and no true defense but sticking his arm out.

Ernie Terrell was 6-6 and had longer reach than Wlad (82-81). How did he do against Ali?

[FrankieBruno]

Wlad would be stopped

He cant talk a combo to his chin

Any boxer who lands a decent combo to Wlads chin is knocking him the ****k out

David Haye rattled him with one punch, had he followed up with 2 more Wlad wud have hit the canvas

That's the problem with fighting Wlad, you land one meaningful punch and he grabs a hold of you

I think the referees let him get away with cheating, not sure how much he pays them.

Wlad cant fight in on the inside

[GRboxing]

Wlad couldn't handle Clay's pace. Clay by TKO late