Why don't refs give 10 counts anymore?

[Dagomba]

I was really torn between who to root for in the Mares vs Gonzales fight. I love both of those guys and knew Gonzales was a very dangerous opponent because of his power and experience.

When Mares was hit with that left hook, and got up, the ref let it go and then he got knocked down again.

My thing is, why in the *** don't refs give 10 counts anymore? Allow Mares the right to get up if he can. I'm not saying he would have, or he wouldn't have but there was like 8 seconds left in the round and giving him a 10 count would have ended the fight.

Instead, the ref counts to about 5, stops the fight and then HOLD MARES DOWN from getting up!?!

What do you have to lose to just count to 10? I don't get it. What if Mares gets up, the round ends and then he has 1 minute to recover in the corner? It could have been a completely different fight.

Props to Gonzales but I'm tired of these refs just stopping fights. Give the ***in 10 count, if the guy is out cold like Pac or Hatton were, then I understand but Mares was trying to get up.

Like NATAS said, the ref gave Mares a really long time after the first knock down, he had no legs and gave him a chance to see how he would react and he had no answer. He was fighting on sheer instinct. Remember that Mares didn't even remember what happened on the KO, the ref could have given Mares the 10 count but I don't think the stoppage was that bad of a call.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

I know what you mean, but in regards to Mares to be fair the ref was close to stopping it afterthe first KD. He looked at mares very hard and aactually did him a favor by giving him a lot of time to walk towards him. I think the ref wanted to give him a chance. And then mares used no defense, was just wailing arm pumches in desperation with head looking down, basically not protecting himself at all. He goes down again thats all the ref needed to see.

Natas, you missed my point though. Let's say he was out of it, he was done....ok so what?

Is counting to 10 putting his health on the line? Whats the difference between counting to 10 and ending the fight?

The funny thing is, when Paul Williams got knocked out, the ref actually counted to 10...hahaha

Just count to 10, if he gets up, then you can evaluate him. If he doesn't, then the fight is over but you have to give him a chance. He wasn't out, he looked at the ref when he pushed him back down and was pissed he stopped the fight.

[soul_survivor]

Horrible assessment

Mares was looking down trying to get up..he was ROCKED from the first knockdown and like he admitted didn't have his feet under him..his eyes were fine, he was looking down to get his feet under him and get up calmly to hope the ref doesn't stop it for him flopping over

When the ref waved it off he looked at him and said "No I'm fine!" ..

Don't doubt Mares' heart by claiming he wanted out in the 1st round..he could've been saved by the bell..but I doubt the 60sec break would've been enough for him to recover

wtf are you talking about? I'm saying exactly what you said about the eyes, they were NOT absent were my exact words.

And i didn't say anything about Mares' heart, it had nothing to do with heart and everything to do with bad refereeing. Is English your first language? If not then you are forgiven, if it is, you might need to go back to school

[bojangles1987]

It's because of the bad rep boxing has for brutality. We all point to the classics where guys were out of it and somehow recovered, but for every one of those there's another 10 that are ruined forever if they get to fight on. Give the guy the full 10 count, he gets up and gets brutalized even more.

It's a thin line, and I can't get mad at the ref for the stoppage in this particular case. Better Mares suffer the loss now and still be okay than take unnecessary punishment.

[Hop]

...that KD in the closing seconds of the 4th round in the Ali/Cooper fight, Ali definitely looked out of it, imagine if the ref had stopped counting at 3? ? ?

That's what I'm saying. Look, I understand and am all for genuine care for the fighters in the ring. On the other hand, I think today's officials need a refresher course to remind them that there is no stethoscope around their necks. They can at least err on the side of performing their count, but it seems they've kind of fallen in love with the dramatics of that two-handed criss-cross waving, fight-ending authority.

Good to see there is a sizable segment of boxing fans who feel as we do.

[Cuauhtémoc1520]

It's because of the bad rep boxing has for brutality. We all point to the classics where guys were out of it and somehow recovered, but for every one of those there's another 10 that are ruined forever if they get to fight on. Give the guy the full 10 count, he gets up and gets brutalized even more.

It's a thin line, and I can't get mad at the ref for the stoppage in this particular case. Better Mares suffer the loss now and still be okay than take unnecessary punishment.

Sorry man but you are still missing the point. Giving the 10 count doesn't put a fighter in anymore danger than just stopping the fight. IF Mares gets up, the ref will evaluate him as he's standing like he did the first time he was knocked down.

The ref will look at him, ask him if he's ok and ask him to walk towards him. If he's not good, THEN he ends the fight, but why end it on the canvas without giving him that chance?

Just ending the fight, takes that opportunity away from him, that's my point.

JUST GIVE A ***IN 10 COUNT!

[..WaRSpencE..]

wtf are you talking about? I'm saying exactly what you said about the eyes, they were NOT absent were my exact words.

And i didn't say anything about Mares' heart, it had nothing to do with heart and everything to do with bad refereeing. Is English your first language? If not then you are forgiven, if it is, you might need to go back to school

Haha my bad I jumped the gun

I've been reading so much around here that Mares was out and pretty much hopeless that I interpreted your post as one of those


I just can't believe he wasn't allowed to get up..he was on his way and the ref straight jacked him down like you're done..upsetting really

Like the TS stated..let them stand and observe their eyes, and body language then..

[soul_survivor]

That's what I'm saying. Look, I understand and am all for genuine care for the fighters in the ring. On the other hand, I think today's officials need a refresher course to remind them that there is no stethoscope around their necks. They can at least err on the side of performing their count, but it seems they've kind of fallen in love with the dramatics of that two-handed criss-cross waving, fight-ending authority.

Good to see there is a sizable segment of boxing fans who feel as we do.

I know! btw I have a thread with a poll, vote on it if you haven't already.

The more I think about, the more classics I can pick out where fighters may never have reached their potential, Pac v JMM 1, Prov v Bradley (great fight for both guys), Khan v Maidana (imagine if was stopped when Maidana was rolling on the ground hurt as hell) or more recently Barker v Geale.

I gave modern examples so people don't come out with rose tinted glasses and say "oh yeah but fighters in them days were tougher bla bla bla"

[epu]

Probably another casualty of instant gratification.

[soul_survivor]

Haha my bad I jumped the gun

I've been reading so much around here that Mares was out and pretty much hopeless that I interpreted your post as one of those


I just can't believe he wasn't allowed to get up..he was on his way and the ref straight jacked him down like you're done..upsetting really

Like the TS stated..let them stand and observe their eyes, and body language then..

haha no probs, yeah a lot of mares was done, a 3 count was ok non sense here lol