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Roy in his prime was a very special fighter. Not overrated at all.
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I don't get the point of such obvious trolling.Comment
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I think the only thing overrated is roy's resume,,,,,
he had amazing skills, amazing fighter
but his resume is very soft for an ATG
Ali found ways to fight the very best
OScar did as well
SRL same thing
Pernell always fought the best,,,
But roy was content to coast for a decade after the toney fight,,,,
His resume is clearly overrated,,, not his skills, just his resume,,
Not having Eubanks, collins, benn, G-man, Michlewski, Nunn, Liles on his resume greatly hurts his legacy,,,, Not saying he had to fight all those guys, but none of them is really harmful to the resume,,, I would have been happy if he had just fought liles and collins,,,, that would have been enough for me,, but he never landed any of those fights even though he was p4p #1 and the money man of those divisions, plus had HBO behind him,,, Oscar, manny, floyd, lennox all were able to land the big fights with that same setup,,,Comment
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Jones fought guys that were the mandatories or highly ranked guys, they just weren't really on his level, kind of like most of Mayweather's fights. On paper, they were the best guys available but in the ring, Roy was pretty incredible to watch. He demolished opposition while Floyd typically outboxes guys. Roy humiliated opposition in every sense.
Didn't see OP mentioning how he beat a prime James Toney or beat a PRIME BHOP. I would have liked to see the Calzaghe fight earlier than I did but it just wasn't meant to be.Comment
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his athletism and speed were not overated. But the fact that he was on PEDs raises question marks so yes he was overated.
He wasn't a great technician and he didn't put combinaions together as Pac. So he isn't as great as Pac, but still very good.Comment
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I think this thread gives you the perfect idea of how most people view Roy Jones Junior, as either invincible (which is a huge statement as he rarely fought anyone who could challenge him) or as someone who was "exposed" and not very good in the first place (another silly statement considering Jones toyed with guys who would have given other "names" a hell of a lot of trouble). The truth of Jones, lies somewhere in the middle.
Roy Jones was one of the most naturally gifted athletes anywhere on the planet, I used the word athlete because I'm not just talking about boxing here, I'm talking about all sport. Football, rugby, cricket, track and field, baseball, tennis, basketball....I could go on and on, there were few sportsmen as naturally gifted as a young Roy Jones, the problem lies with what he did with that talent. As Michael Jordan smashed records in the NBA and Ronaldo became a goal scoring phenom against the elite of European football, RJ was content with playing in the second tier, the minor leagues if you may.
Other great fighters (ATG is a tag we all love using so much) who were maybe less naturally gifted than Jones seaked out the biggest challenges, they may not have always done it consistently (Floyd Mayweather) and may not have always been successful (Oscar De La Hoya) but they did it. That is an important aspect, it's like Neymar refusing to go to Barcelona and happy scoring goals at a phenomenal rate against weaker Brazilian clubs. Every great boxer, like any great athlete, especially one as gifted as Jones, must challenge themselves, more so than the "average joes" why? Because they are judged by a higher standard. Would you like to see a season of football where Manchester United regularly played Accrington Stanley?
Jones throughout the 90s, a time when he was in his absolute prime, challenged himself a grand total of 2 times. That's just not good enough and as the new millennium dawned he challenged himself one last time, against a second rate heavyweight champion. The performance was terrific, but was the opposition?
Jones' list of accomplishments, when tallied after he eventually retires, will make for some good reading but there will always be an asterix behind almost all his title wins, should he have fought other names in his division? Why didn't he? It's all well and good saying he "would" have beaten them anyway but sport isn't decided by what could have happened, it's based on what does happen.Comment
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thanks man
I just think Roy is the biggest, most frustrating athlete I've ever witnessed. He had the tools to be mentioned in the same breath as Ali or Robinson but now...if he only had that fighting heart some of the others did. If he had looked for those dangerous opponents he could have been something special because I'm of the opinion, head to head, he would have beaten almost every fighter from 160-175 throughout the 90s. Eubank would have been his trickiest proposition. Benn and McC's power may have troubled him but that's it really. Sadly, coulda shoulda doesn't earn you accolades
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i don't know man...i watched a lot of those 90's fights, and after jones whitewashed toney, seemed like nobody was calling him out (now everybody seems to have called him out 15 years later)...jones vs. gerald m. was the natural next big fight, but never came to fruition due to gerald m. losing to benn the way he did...
jones vs. nunn was low risk, low reward imo, due to nunn being ko'd by toney, and jones having already whitewashed toney, and the euro dudes i think were hell bent on roy jones bowing down to their terms when roy was #1 p4p...
by right, jones could have sat @ 168 for years and waited for guys like de la hoya, trinidad, to move up enough to make big $ catchweight fights, but...
he moved up to lightheavy...i take wins on griffin, hill, reggie johnson, and maybe 1 or 2 more, as the more respectable wins there, yeah there were some stinkers in there, but even the atg's have those...i say one thing his win on hopkins looks that much greater given hopkins longevity in the sport of boxing...roy jones...solid atg in my book a notch below srl, duran, hearns, and marvelous marv...Comment
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