Comments Thread For: Nacho: The Only Way To Beat Mayweather is With a Bat!

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[QUOTE=twosweethooks;13671294]

Gameness is a state of mind and gameness is as gameness does , for instance a foxhound can track and chase a quarry until it drops dead that's a form of gameness because that is what he was bred to do , follow game and not give in until catching it , a racehorse turning for home that tries harder when another horse heads him in the straight is a form of gameness , then you have a pit bull that will fight to the death and go back to the fight even though it knows it is being killed , most performance animals that are game are winners in what ever field you put them , man selectively breeds for gameness in all things in life especially under competition , because the true meaning of gameness is the will to win , the will conquer the task

I like what you said !!

Lets continue the conversation and use the bulldogs ( pitbulls)

For those that hate bulldogs or dogmen please just pass this up.

The similarities are amazing between dog and man. Some dogs will fight for ten mins like a circle saw ( I DON"T FIGHT DOGS) then QUIT on top. Dog men raise a dog and find out if that dog will quit by difficult tests. Things they watch for is any hesitation to fight or get out of the fight. The test might be done in over 100 degree heat when the dog is fat, and goes against three dogs one after the other mainly on his back and tested to see if he wants to continue. IF he stands in the corner when released or hesitates he won't make the grade. A cur will do things to get out of a fight, like try to bluff his way by GROWLING. IF a bulldog growls at another dog to stop a fight or lets say DUCK a fight, he has fear and WILL QUIT. A man will do all he can do to get out of a fight if he is not game.

Growling is Bluff
Men growl hahah, they TRASH TALK, try to get in yer face , try to back you down, real dogs stare with no grimmace to back anyone down, they stare with no teeth showing, curs will show their teeth, game dogs mean business. They are silent and when released come forth with a vengence, they don't run from the other.

Any outward sign that a dog does like raise his hackles, the hair at the base of the tail stand straight out are signs of bluff and a sign he doesn't want it. Bluff !!!

Real game bulldogs will do none of the above, they love the trenches, they can be on the bottom and their tail will be wagging and believe they are winning, their mind is not turned by pain or fatigue from heat and fatigue will test a dog or man as quick as anything.

you gave examples let me give two.

The Black Mamba ol Roger himself: Watch that last fight with Chavez, Chavez 2, the round before he QUIT. He was frustrated, knew he was losing and couldn't win , taken to the trenches and may have felt he was gonna get KO'ed again. HE did something in that round before he quit that made me laugh, he tried to intimate Chavez by bouncing around and doing the Ali shuffle !!!! I don't expect many to get it but that was a sign of pure bluff and the proof is in the next round, sitting on the stool with his head hanging down.

Holyfield Tyson 1, the 11th round ? Holy cracked Tyson and Tyson did a perfect cur dog maneuver , HE turned from HOLY and ran to the ropes , AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA !!! Cur dogs TURN due to a thought of QUITTING. A friend said boy Tyson is going to Kill HOLY in the next fight, I said NOPE gonna QUIT QUICKER,,,curs always quick quicker,,,ALWAYS

Dogs are programed at conception and men test them because he don't know if the dog is game or not.

There have been dogs who were so good they could win fights and keep killers from getting to them. Far and few between

BUT

there is some dog out there that can get to him. I have seen it. IT took a while but it happens.

There are some men that are so good they can keep the average fighter OFF him and he will look supreme. good ole JR is that man !!!!!

What we don't know from Jr yet is, is he game ? We don't KNOW, no one has taken him to the trenches to test his heart deep in the fight where he no longer is frustrating his opponent and you spoke of this, so we don't know if he will QUIT like his Uncle or he will stay and fight it out

My Problem with Jr is all the Cur signs, I see them I hear them. I saw it in the face off with Mosely when he looked scared and jumped back throwing up his fist.

Let me be plain, I think Jr is the best pure boxer on the planet, But , I DOUBT his heart , his gameness, and for three or 4 years I have wanted to see him face someone who will test him and that is PAC

ONLY a cur will duck,,, JR is the DUCK, its all in his signs , he bluffs , he trash talks or growls, he is bent out of shape, he is not calm and collected, he lies ,says one thing , my next fight is Pac, then the next day he said I never said that. I watch for those things. I see those things, and I KNOW those things.

I say He may beat Canelo by frustrating him like he does everyone, but what will he do if Canelo turns this thing around and all of sudden He can't do what he has always done , and taken deep in the fight deep in the trenches where he is getting beat close to getting KO'd after taking a beating, what will he do is my question.

From all I see , I think he will QUIT. I have believed it for years now due to all the signs.

I can be wrong, men are not dogs.

some of the gamest men I have ever seen fight were Foreman LYLE , and the trilla in Manila

Jr seems to fear a fight like those 4 men had

More can be said

we will see,

Holy cut and paste Batman

[ShoulderRoll]

There is no bigger cur than a man who won't take a drug test in order to make a fight.

The richest fight in boxing history, in fact. When all other conditions had already been agreed upon.

[humanpunchingbg]

Looks like nacho is eluding to a possible rematch (payday) with Floyd in the future? So his as$ can get worked like last time?

He said fighting him the first time was a mistake. Why would he want a rematch dumbass?

[Foreign Soil]

Didn't Mayweather fight Castillo in a rematch? You sound ******.

Doesn't matter because you said Castillo made Floyd not take a risk after they first fought but Floyd fought him immediately and beat him plain and simple. Are you calling the rematch a draw?

Floyd didn't take risks after Castillo. Are you ******ed? He didn't even take a risk in the rematch. It was a horrible fight. Both Floyd and Jose Luis ****** in the rematch.

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[QUOTE=twosweethooks;13671294]

Gameness is a state of mind and gameness is as gameness does , for instance a foxhound can track and chase a quarry until it drops dead that's a form of gameness because that is what he was bred to do , follow game and not give in until catching it , a racehorse turning for home that tries harder when another horse heads him in the straight is a form of gameness , then you have a pit bull that will fight to the death and go back to the fight even though it knows it is being killed , most performance animals that are game are winners in what ever field you put them , man selectively breeds for gameness in all things in life especially under competition , because the true meaning of gameness is the will to win , the will conquer the task

I like what you said !!

Lets continue the conversation and use the bulldogs ( pitbulls)

For those that hate bulldogs or dogmen please just pass this up.

The similarities are amazing between dog and man. Some dogs will fight for ten mins like a circle saw ( I DON"T FIGHT DOGS) then QUIT on top. Dog men raise a dog and find out if that dog will quit by difficult tests. Things they watch for is any hesitation to fight or get out of the fight. The test might be done in over 100 degree heat when the dog is fat, and goes against three dogs one after the other mainly on his back and tested to see if he wants to continue. IF he stands in the corner when released or hesitates he won't make the grade. A cur will do things to get out of a fight, like try to bluff his way by GROWLING. IF a bulldog growls at another dog to stop a fight or lets say DUCK a fight, he has fear and WILL QUIT. A man will do all he can do to get out of a fight if he is not game.

Growling is Bluff
Men growl hahah, they TRASH TALK, try to get in yer face , try to back you down, real dogs stare with no grimmace to back anyone down, they stare with no teeth showing, curs will show their teeth, game dogs mean business. They are silent and when released come forth with a vengence, they don't run from the other.

Any outward sign that a dog does like raise his hackles, the hair at the base of the tail stand straight out are signs of bluff and a sign he doesn't want it. Bluff !!!

Real game bulldogs will do none of the above, they love the trenches, they can be on the bottom and their tail will be wagging and believe they are winning, their mind is not turned by pain or fatigue from heat and fatigue will test a dog or man as quick as anything.

you gave examples let me give two.

The Black Mamba ol Roger himself: Watch that last fight with Chavez, Chavez 2, the round before he QUIT. He was frustrated, knew he was losing and couldn't win , taken to the trenches and may have felt he was gonna get KO'ed again. HE did something in that round before he quit that made me laugh, he tried to intimate Chavez by bouncing around and doing the Ali shuffle !!!! I don't expect many to get it but that was a sign of pure bluff and the proof is in the next round, sitting on the stool with his head hanging down.

Holyfield Tyson 1, the 11th round ? Holy cracked Tyson and Tyson did a perfect cur dog maneuver , HE turned from HOLY and ran to the ropes , AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH HA !!! Cur dogs TURN due to a thought of QUITTING. A friend said boy Tyson is going to Kill HOLY in the next fight, I said NOPE gonna QUIT QUICKER,,,curs always quick quicker,,,ALWAYS

Dogs are programed at conception and men test them because he don't know if the dog is game or not.

There have been dogs who were so good they could win fights and keep killers from getting to them. Far and few between

BUT

there is some dog out there that can get to him. I have seen it. IT took a while but it happens.

There are some men that are so good they can keep the average fighter OFF him and he will look supreme. good ole JR is that man !!!!!

What we don't know from Jr yet is, is he game ? We don't KNOW, no one has taken him to the trenches to test his heart deep in the fight where he no longer is frustrating his opponent and you spoke of this, so we don't know if he will QUIT like his Uncle or he will stay and fight it out

My Problem with Jr is all the Cur signs, I see them I hear them. I saw it in the face off with Mosely when he looked scared and jumped back throwing up his fist.

Let me be plain, I think Jr is the best pure boxer on the planet, But , I DOUBT his heart , his gameness, and for three or 4 years I have wanted to see him face someone who will test him and that is PAC

ONLY a cur will duck,,, JR is the DUCK, its all in his signs , he bluffs , he trash talks or growls, he is bent out of shape, he is not calm and collected, he lies ,says one thing , my next fight is Pac, then the next day he said I never said that. I watch for those things. I see those things, and I KNOW those things.

I say He may beat Canelo by frustrating him like he does everyone, but what will he do if Canelo turns this thing around and all of sudden He can't do what he has always done , and taken deep in the fight deep in the trenches where he is getting beat close to getting KO'd after taking a beating, what will he do is my question.

From all I see , I think he will QUIT. I have believed it for years now due to all the signs.

I can be wrong, men are not dogs.

some of the gamest men I have ever seen fight were Foreman LYLE , and the trilla in Manila

Jr seems to fear a fight like those 4 men had

More can be said

we will see,

I wont go into the subject on this level in here but I will say I spent 20 yrs working with Bert Sorrels and his family of dogs which are as game as any ever bred , I have a very clear understanding of gameness and more importantly the right kind of gameness to win in combat , like I said Floyd might quit cold but you got to get past his amazing ability to make it happen , no easy task I can assure you , and from the signs Ive seen he is going to take someone very special to do it because " IF " he aint real game , he is a real long winded rough cur , or it will take somebody way bigger that can over power him , he doesn't fear a fight in my view , its his style that gives that impression , his style is learned controlled and mastered its not fear driven its the way he was taught , Floyd has a great fighting brain .

Interesting chat even though everybody else thinks we are raving lunatics LOL , but at least we know where we are coming from .

[radioraheem]

There's am interview Ben Thompson did with Ariza where he said Memo was his prodigy. His own words not mine.

There is no way in hell that Ariza said Memo was his prodigy.

Bob Arum did say though that Alex Ariza told him that he worked under Memo before. But that too is nonsense because Alex Ariza also told FightHype a long time ago that he had no idea who Memo was until Victor Conte started outing him.

[twosweethooks]

[QUOTE=Reloaded;13671339]

I wont go into the subject on this level in here but I will say I spent 20 yrs working with Bert Sorrels and his family of dogs which are as game as any ever bred , I have a very clear understanding of gameness and more importantly the right kind of gameness to win in combat , like I said Floyd might quit cold but you got to get past his amazing ability to make it happen , no easy task I can assure you , and from the signs Ive seen he is going to take someone very special to do it because " IF " he aint real game , he is a real long winded rough cur , or it will take somebody way bigger that can over power him , he doesn't fear a fight in my view , its his style that gives that impression , his style is learned controlled and mastered its not fear driven its the way he was taught , Floyd has a great fighting brain .

Interesting chat even though everybody else thinks we are raving lunatics LOL , but at least we know where we are coming from .

Hey Man , AWESOME !!!

I knew the man who lived on the little hill at Sunnyvale Texas named DON MAYFIELD back in the 60's. I saw N##### on his yard and Tombstone. 400 and Gomer many others. I knew many others who are dead now who matched into each other. One ACE named PIT GENERAL.

Is Bert still alive ? How bout Jack Kelly or Jr Bush ? I loved the dogs but it got way to bad , Years ago

all the best to you comrade

[Supreme Being]

I'm ready!!!

[Ca$trO]

While Floyd does embody the pinnacle of work ethic and skill, boxing is founded on the best fighting the best...the best always seeking the toughest challenge. He has fallen a bit short there, for whatever reason. So while his elite status cannot be denied, he is not the complete embodiment of the sport. This era lacks that final gear.

Then who is presently?

[GRUSTLER]

WOW , Grustler you haven't responded to one of my post in two years mang. hahahahaha

Hard to KO a RUNNER you ought to KNOW That ?

Nobody believes you.