Golovkin is a solid fighter but nothing wow's me about him other than his power

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  • T18Z
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    #11
    Originally posted by itsafight
    Canelo has a great ring IQ for his age, great defense, lateral movement, head movement, handspeed etc.
    Canelo hasn't got a P4P wow factor. He looked very average against Trout, he DOES NOT have a great defense, he got hit LOTS by fricken Shane Mosley, Canelo only showed good defense in the Trout fight and it had him gassed by the 6th!

    He is a flat footed fighter, with average defense, fast hands but not very powerful, the guy couldn't knock down Mosley or finish off Mathew Hatton, his power is overrated.

    He does however have good ring IQ, timing, and patience, but Golovkin is far better in each category except counter punching.

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    • itsafight
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      #12
      Originally posted by T18Z
      You say you see nothing special in Golovkin, but compare Pacquaio, Mayweather and Marquez to god damn Canelo Alvarez? You smokin' crack?

      Golovkin is a very talented boxer, and he's not a puncher, he's an intelligent boxer. Do you think you get a 345-5 amatuer record by being a **** boxer? The fact you think he's just a puncher says it all, and the fact you use the Rosado fight (which Golovkin destroyed him in) as a measuring stick is ******.
      Rosado was just overpowered and busted up with the cuts, he was getting some decent shots in and making Golovkin miss a lot.

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        #13
        Originally posted by BafanaBafana
        Personally I would like to see him against a hard chinned fighter who will test him for the full 12 rounds. Rugged fighters like Chavez Jr, Rubio, Bika, etc. come to mind. Lemieux had a lot of hype until he faced such an opponent. GGG fought an old shot Ouma (hard chinned fighter who won't wilt under pressure) and went life and death with him for 10 hard rounds.
        Life and death? GGG had to sleep in an airport for 2 days before the fight because of visa issues, could not eat properly, hydrate properly or sleep properly. Ouma went to the hospital after the fight with a suspected brain hemorrhage or internal bleeding, the only reason the fight lasted so long is because Ouma has an amazing chin, but regardless Golovkin began seriously outclassing and out-landing him after the mid rounds.

        I hate people who bring up Ouma and Rosado, without using context, circumstances and without actually watching the fights.

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          #14
          Originally posted by itsafight
          Rosado was just overpowered and busted up with the cuts, he was getting some decent shots in and making Golovkin miss a lot.
          No, Rosado was outclassed. He was running the whole fight, that's why the fight didn't look amazing, because Rosado barley fought back, and when he did he got rocked by 3 power jabs in a row and stumbled from one side of the ring to the other.

          Rosado did land some decent shots, but tell me who does not get hit by punches from the other fighter in boxing? Rosado landed like 3 punches of worth, meanwhile Golovkin was chasing after a guy who was only focused on staying alive.

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            #15
            Originally posted by T18Z
            Canelo hasn't got a P4P wow factor. He looked very average against Trout, he DOES NOT have a great defense, he got hit LOTS by fricken Shane Mosley, Canelo only showed good defense in the Trout fight and it had him gassed by the 6th!

            He is a flat footed fighter, with average defense, fast hands but not very powerful, the guy couldn't knock down Mosley or finish off Mathew Hatton, his power is overrated.

            He does however have good ring IQ, timing, and patience, but Golovkin is far better in each category except counter punching.
            Mosley hasn't been stopped in 56 fights. If Canelo has an average defense how has he got the second highest hit to not get hit ratio in boxing? Again you use the Trout fight to try and dismiss Canelo as if Trout is some kind of bum. Trout was an undefeated 27 year old in his prime fighter coming of off a destructive win over Miguel Cotto. Very few fighters will look overly impressive against Trout let alone use the fight to showcase their skills. Golovkin has faced no one near the quality of Trout.

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            • J The UnBiased
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              #16
              When GGG fights someone and beats them, I'll be impressed.

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                #17
                Originally posted by itsafight
                Mosley hasn't been stopped in 56 fights. If Canelo has an average defense how has he got the second highest hit to not get hit ratio in boxing? Again you use the Trout fight to try and dismiss Canelo as if Trout is some kind of bum. Trout was an undefeated 27 year old in his prime fighter coming of off a destructive win over Miguel Cotto. Very few fighters will look overly impressive against Trout let alone use the fight to showcase their skills. Golovkin has faced no one near the quality of Trout.
                That ratio is also reflective of his often lack of activity at times and patience. Fighters who throw more punches take more risks. In regards to Mosley, you say Canelo has fast hands, Pacquaio also has fast hands and knocked down Mosley, but Canelo couldn't. Don't compare Canelo to the greats of this era, he's not even in the p4p list.

                Miguel Cotto is sadly a gatekeeper at this point, it doesn't make Trout amazing for defeating him. Both Canelo and Trout looked bad in that fight, and you can say Golovkin has faced nobody near the quality all you want (check what Macklin did to Sergio and Sturm), but it doesn't take a scientist to see that Golovkin has some great attributes, but how about we compare Canelo to Golovkin shall we?

                Maybe we can also bring up the sparring session they had? I hope you know how that went?

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                  #18
                  Golovkin is a mechanical clubber. He's not much to look at but he gets the job done. I'm not overly amazed either.

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by T18Z
                    Life and death? GGG had to sleep in an airport for 2 days before the fight because of visa issues, could not eat properly, hydrate properly or sleep properly. Ouma went to the hospital after the fight with a suspected brain hemorrhage or internal bleeding, the only reason the fight lasted so long is because Ouma has an amazing chin, but regardless Golovkin began seriously outclassing and out-landing him after the mid rounds.

                    I hate people who bring up Ouma and Rosado, without using context, circumstances and without actually watching the fights.
                    Those excuses are pretty bad unless he broke or injured something (hand, knee, back, shoulder) he shouldn't be making excuses, even more so in a winning performance.

                    I've watched both fights and what I saw was GGG struggle more than he should have against mediocre opponents. Rosado was stopped on cuts and Ouma was out on his feet, but GGG couldn't drop either guy. Angulo stopped Rosado in less than two rounds after dropping him three times, Golovkin couldn't even drop him and if not for the cuts the fight would have gone on longer.

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                    • J The UnBiased
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                      #20
                      Originally posted by T18Z
                      That ratio is also reflective of his often lack of activity at times and patience. Fighters who throw more punches take more risks. In regards to Mosley, you say Canelo has fast hands, Pacquaio also has fast hands and knocked down Mosley, but Canelo couldn't. Don't compare Canelo to the greats of this era, he's not even in the p4p list.

                      Miguel Cotto is sadly a gatekeeper at this point, it doesn't make Trout amazing for defeating him. Both Canelo and Trout looked bad in that fight, and you can say Golovkin has faced nobody near the quality all you want (check what Macklin did to Sergio and Sturm), but it doesn't take a scientist to see that Golovkin has some great attributes, but how about we compare Canelo to Golovkin shall we?

                      Maybe we can also bring up the sparring session they had? I hope you know how that went?
                      You think a sparring session can equate to how an actual fight would play out? Just asking.

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