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Originally posted by K-DOGG View PostThe man just got KTFO'd. Common practice in the sport has always been to meet a "less than dangerous" opponent after a big loss.
Over the course of Manny's career, he has consistently fought the best opposition out there.
While De La Hoya was past his best when Manny moved up, nobody gave him a chance due to Oscar's good showing against Mayweather the previous time out.......and De La Hoya's propensity to take on smaller guys he knew he could beat.
Manny also destroyed Hatton after Mickey put on a good show against Floyd. He fought Margarito, a much bigger puncher and man after he'd beaten the living stuffing out of Cotto....albeit illegally, more than likely. He fought Clottey when nobody wanted to fight him and fought Marquez 4 times. Cotto, while, honestly past his best, still a major threat to a guy who started out at jr. flyweight ...And I'm just mentioning the welters. I'm not even touching Barrera and Morales who were legends in their own right.
Mosely was a bit of a cherry pick, IMHO; but he fought really tough guys while Floyd was racking up wins against Gatti (shot), Marquez (waaay too small at the time), Ortiz (who??), and Cotto (shot....and he didn't even look that good against him)
I'll give Floyd credit for fighting Hatton and Judah; but De La Hoya was strictly for the money it would generate.....and way too close. While he was welterweight champion, after the Baldomir fight, he could have fought Margarito (didn't), Cotto (didn't), Williams (didn't), aaaanndd Pacquiao (wouldn't, despite the demand and the crapload of money that fight would have generated).
No, Floyd wins the cherry picking award, here.
People didn't think Oscar was going to beat Manny because he had a good showing against Floyd. I had Floyd clearly winning the fight 8 rounds to 4, and the majority of writers acknowledge that the SD was BS. Odds makers gave Pacquiao no shot against Oscar, actual fans knew that the contest was a joke. A shot De La Hoya at a weight class that he hadn't fought in in nearly a decade.
I give him his credit for beating Ricky, but everyone knows that Hatton wasn't the same after Floyd knocked him out.
The Margarito fight was another joke. Tony was past it, but he was coming off his win against Robert Garcia, a nobody. And just Prior to that, he got crushed by Mosley and got suspended. So then Manny fights the man for the vacant 154 title at a catchweight of 150.
There was virtually no one who asked for the matchup with Clottey, and he still managed to get ****** up pretty badly by a guy who spends the majority of his fights in ear muffs.
I do however give him partial credit for his win over Cotto, albeit at a catchweight of 145 for the 147 strap. And while Cotto was really coming off a loss to Clottey, and previously a massacre to Margs hand wraps.
He beat Morales coming off a loss as well.
I give him credit for beating Barrera, but he was really past it at that point as well.
The Mosley fight was an outright BLATANT JOKE.
He's fighting the Loser of the Alvarado/Rios bout.
And in my honest opinion, he never really beat Marquez......don't talk about cherry picking.
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Originally posted by silentscoper View PostOh dear lord have mercy on this thread.
pac and his team and a lot of boxing experts and fans know that jmm is pac's contra pelo.....
could i say that pbf, in his mind, thinks pac is floyd's contra pelo....
so far, pac had faced his contra pelo 4 times.....
pbf has no heart to face his contra pelo even once.....
so, floyd, how could you?!
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Originally posted by richardt View PostWRONG! Roach also said Pac would KO JMM and Bradley so now his word is Gospel?????? They picked Rios BECAUSE BRADLEY AND JMM TURNED HIM DOWN!!!! Get it? Got it? GOOD!!Give it the *** up, you are too damn desperate!!!!!
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I think we need to sum this mess up:
To put it as succinctly as possible
JR is the Most incredible Profound DUCK in the HISTORY of Boxing
AND
SOON to be Canelos LEFTOVER
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Originally Posted by Reloaded View Post
A cherry pick is Rios and this is why , didn't take Alvarez or a WW , Mannys trainer when asked why did you chose Rios and Roach said " he is a 135 been at 140 a couple of times he wont handle Mannys speed and power at 147 , we chose Rios to make Manny look good "
That's a cherry pick !
Originally posted by richardt View PostWRONG! Roach also said Pac would KO JMM and Bradley so now his word is Gospel?????? They picked Rios BECAUSE BRADLEY AND JMM TURNED HIM DOWN!!!! Get it? Got it? GOOD!!Give it the *** up, you are too damn desperate!!!!!
Then after deciding to stay away from WWs at all costs and force up a 135-140 pounders , they pick the dam face first loser LOL , in the very least they should have picked the winner Alvarez , these are B grade 140 pounders and Manny picks the loser , you got no argument , Rios is a cherry pick , no doubt about it .
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Originally posted by J The UnBiased View PostOdds makers gave Pacquiao no shot against Oscar, actual fans knew that the contest was a joke. A shot De La Hoya at a weight class that he hadn't fought in in nearly a decade.
.Last edited by richardt; 08-19-2013, 12:57 PM.
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Originally posted by J The UnBiased View PostLet's talk facts. I have the upmost respect for Manny Pacquiao. Never made jokes about his KO loss or whatever, but this post here is a flat out lie.
People didn't think Oscar was going to beat Manny because he had a good showing against Floyd. I had Floyd clearly winning the fight 8 rounds to 4, and the majority of writers acknowledge that the SD was BS. Odds makers gave Pacquiao no shot against Oscar, actual fans knew that the contest was a joke. A shot De La Hoya at a weight class that he hadn't fought in in nearly a decade.
I give him his credit for beating Ricky, but everyone knows that Hatton wasn't the same after Floyd knocked him out.
The Margarito fight was another joke. Tony was past it, but he was coming off his win against Robert Garcia, a nobody. And just Prior to that, he got crushed by Mosley and got suspended. So then Manny fights the man for the vacant 154 title at a catchweight of 150.
There was virtually no one who asked for the matchup with Clottey, and he still managed to get ****** up pretty badly by a guy who spends the majority of his fights in ear muffs.
I do however give him partial credit for his win over Cotto, albeit at a catchweight of 145 for the 147 strap. And while Cotto was really coming off a loss to Clottey, and previously a massacre to Margs hand wraps.
He beat Morales coming off a loss as well.
I give him credit for beating Barrera, but he was really past it at that point as well.
The Mosley fight was an outright BLATANT JOKE.
He's fighting the Loser of the Alvarado/Rios bout.
And in my honest opinion, he never really beat Marquez......don't talk about cherry picking.
1. The odds makers is what I was referring to concerning De La Hoya. I knew Floyd had spanked his ass as did everyone whose opionion I respect. The crap decision is what made the fight the Pacquiao. Well, that and De La Hoya thought he could beat up on another little man.
2. You are right about the Mosely-Margarito fight......slipped my mind that that one was first. However, it was still a dangerous fight for Manny, IMO, even though Marquez had left his ass in the ring against Shane.
3. lol on the earmuffs thing; but my point was the Clottey is a fighter nobody wanted to fight and he was a legitimate welterweight challenger.
Matchmaking is part of making your fighter look the best he can look; but I personally feel Manny's people took more risks than Floyd's have since Mayweather moved up from 135.
The whole thing is really moot at this point anyway because this fight should have happened 3 or 4 years ago. Now it would just be two old men earning a paycheck.....it means nothing.
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