Mayweather is in a bigger decline than Pacquiao

[zuldo]

Whoever thinks puquiao aka sleepy head can ever beat my man Floyd needs to snap out of it!!!!or stay sleeping like your boi pac idiots..

[brick wall]

bullcrap...how the hell could floyd's vacationing a$$ suffer more decline than pac with his defensive style?

the cotto, mosley & ortiz fights is just a testament that floyd, for all his vaunted defensive wizardy, if he decides to engage and stand his ground will get hit more than usual. against guerrero he was back to his ultra-defensive style that's why he looked better. if he fought guerrero the way he fought cotto, the fight would've been more competitive.

floyd is already on the decline alright but to say he's in a bigger decline than pac is just fanboy lunacy. and then what's next? a shot floyd was able to beat canelo...and the fanboy worshipping for floyd will be at all time high.

[boliodogs]

You could be right. Some questions might get answered after Pacquiao and Mayweather have finished their next fights.

[tangalog2200]

Now I know how ludicrous the title sounds but when you take a look at things in a not so fickle way you'll notice that in each fighters last 4 fights (excludng the C grade fighter Guerrero) Mayweather has looked less ''there'' in terms of his physical attributes. He's still got the handspeed, but his footwork and mobility has declined a lot in comparison to his peak years. Now I know the first thing people will point to after reading this is the Guerrero fight, but Guerrero was a very sloppy, average C+ fighter in my opinion. Before that fight the Floyd groupies all talked him up to be such a credible beast that could end Floyd's unbeaten run, when in reality anyone who watched tape on the dude could see he wasn't elite class and had nothing that could threaten Floyd. Plus he had only two previous bouts at Welterweight... Seeing the reaction after that fight was hilarious, everyone calling him the GOAT after beating the beast that is Guerrero.

Now this brings me to the Mosley, Cotto and Ortiz fights. Against Mosley Floyd showed tremendous grit and determination to stand his ground after those brutal blows that he got caught with. But Mosley was 37 going on 38 and Floyd was 33. Floyd got caught badly in that fight by a guy 5 years his senior and looked very flatfooted.

Against a shot Cotto he was getting outmuscled and tagged like he's not used to being. His stamina was great but again he was getting into situations that are unusual for a guy like Floyd, there was one round against him that was the most dominant i've seen against Floyd and again he didn't look fleet footed at all.

Against Ortiz he looked the worst of the three I've mentioned in my opinion. Ortiz was doing pretty damn well before he blew a fuse and broke down mentally. Ortiz was tagging him with the straight left, outmuscleing him, and walking through his shots. Mayweather looked again flat footed and a lot less mobile and light on his feet than Ortiz. Floyd felt threatened in that fight which I believe played a part in him dishing out that cheap shot.. justifiable or not.

Pacquiao recently lost his last two fights. The first was a clear as day robbery and the second was against a roided up Marquez. Despite the fact that he lost these fights he still showed that he has ''it''. His physical attributes are still there, before the Marquez KO we could see that the speed, power, footwork and explosiveness is still there, maybe not 2009 levels but it's still there regardless.

i think it is really too early to tell...

for one thing, pbf may be just following a set fight plan; or trying to up the tempo or excitement - as he may have also been trying to please fans who wanted more action from him....he may even be teasing fans who hate him that he is going to lose his 0....so many angles to consider....when you talk about one of the brainy boxers still alive

[straightleft]

Now I know how ludicrous the title sounds but when you take a look at things in a not so fickle way you'll notice that in each fighters last 4 fights (excludng the C grade fighter Guerrero) Mayweather has looked less ''there'' in terms of his physical attributes. He's still got the handspeed, but his footwork and mobility has declined a lot in comparison to his peak years. Now I know the first thing people will point to after reading this is the Guerrero fight, but Guerrero was a very sloppy, average C+ fighter in my opinion. Before that fight the Floyd groupies all talked him up to be such a credible beast that could end Floyd's unbeaten run, when in reality anyone who watched tape on the dude could see he wasn't elite class and had nothing that could threaten Floyd. Plus he had only two previous bouts at Welterweight... Seeing the reaction after that fight was hilarious, everyone calling him the GOAT after beating the beast that is Guerrero.

Now this brings me to the Mosley, Cotto and Ortiz fights. Against Mosley Floyd showed tremendous grit and determination to stand his ground after those brutal blows that he got caught with. But Mosley was 37 going on 38 and Floyd was 33. Floyd got caught badly in that fight by a guy 5 years his senior and looked very flatfooted.

Against a shot Cotto he was getting outmuscled and tagged like he's not used to being. His stamina was great but again he was getting into situations that are unusual for a guy like Floyd, there was one round against him that was the most dominant i've seen against Floyd and again he didn't look fleet footed at all.

Against Ortiz he looked the worst of the three I've mentioned in my opinion. Ortiz was doing pretty damn well before he blew a fuse and broke down mentally. Ortiz was tagging him with the straight left, outmuscleing him, and walking through his shots. Mayweather looked again flat footed and a lot less mobile and light on his feet than Ortiz. Floyd felt threatened in that fight which I believe played a part in him dishing out that cheap shot.. justifiable or not.

Pacquiao recently lost his last two fights. The first was a clear as day robbery and the second was against a roided up Marquez. Despite the fact that he lost these fights he still showed that he has ''it''. His physical attributes are still there, before the Marquez KO we could see that the speed, power, footwork and explosiveness is still there, maybe not 2009 levels but it's still there regardless.

Wait for a floydiot making this nothing into something in favor of Floyd greatness.

[big_james10]

Now I know how ludicrous the title sounds but when you take a look at things in a not so fickle way you'll notice that in each fighters last 4 fights (excludng the C grade fighter Guerrero) Mayweather has looked less ''there'' in terms of his physical attributes. He's still got the handspeed, but his footwork and mobility has declined a lot in comparison to his peak years. Now I know the first thing people will point to after reading this is the Guerrero fight, but Guerrero was a very sloppy, average C+ fighter in my opinion. Before that fight the Floyd groupies all talked him up to be such a credible beast that could end Floyd's unbeaten run, when in reality anyone who watched tape on the dude could see he wasn't elite class and had nothing that could threaten Floyd. Plus he had only two previous bouts at Welterweight... Seeing the reaction after that fight was hilarious, everyone calling him the GOAT after beating the beast that is Guerrero.

Now this brings me to the Mosley, Cotto and Ortiz fights. Against Mosley Floyd showed tremendous grit and determination to stand his ground after those brutal blows that he got caught with. But Mosley was 37 going on 38 and Floyd was 33. Floyd got caught badly in that fight by a guy 5 years his senior and looked very flatfooted.

Against a shot Cotto he was getting outmuscled and tagged like he's not used to being. His stamina was great but again he was getting into situations that are unusual for a guy like Floyd, there was one round against him that was the most dominant i've seen against Floyd and again he didn't look fleet footed at all.

Against Ortiz he looked the worst of the three I've mentioned in my opinion. Ortiz was doing pretty damn well before he blew a fuse and broke down mentally. Ortiz was tagging him with the straight left, outmuscleing him, and walking through his shots. Mayweather looked again flat footed and a lot less mobile and light on his feet than Ortiz. Floyd felt threatened in that fight which I believe played a part in him dishing out that cheap shot.. justifiable or not.

Pacquiao recently lost his last two fights. The first was a clear as day robbery and the second was against a roided up Marquez. Despite the fact that he lost these fights he still showed that he has ''it''. His physical attributes are still there, before the Marquez KO we could see that the speed, power, footwork and explosiveness is still there, maybe not 2009 levels but it's still there regardless.

This is one big crock of sh.t! Of course Mayweather is on the decline. He has been on the decline for years. Mayweather is two years older than Pacquaio, so he should be in greater decline than Pac. However, the difference is that a declining Mayweather is still better than all the other fighters competing from 140-154. You cannot say the same about Pacquaio.

Physical attributes don't mean a damn thing when you are losing. It is a fact that Pac has lost his last two fights. You can argue robbery against Bradley all you want, but he still lost; and you cannot make any legitimate argument for the Marquez fight other than Pac got his ass whipped. Also, there are more people who think he will lose against Brandon Rios, who two fights ago was fighting at 135, than there are who think Mayweather will lose to Alvarez. The C-class Guerrerro that you mentioned would beat any other fighter at 140-147 other than Floyd, including Pacquiao, Rios, Alvarado, Marquez and Bradley.

[*Boss*]

Now I know how ludicrous the title sounds but when you take a look at things in a not so fickle way you'll notice that in each fighters last 4 fights (excludng the C grade fighter Guerrero) Mayweather has looked less ''there'' in terms of his physical attributes. He's still got the handspeed, but his footwork and mobility has declined a lot in comparison to his peak years. Now I know the first thing people will point to after reading this is the Guerrero fight, but Guerrero was a very sloppy, average C+ fighter in my opinion. Before that fight the Floyd groupies all talked him up to be such a credible beast that could end Floyd's unbeaten run, when in reality anyone who watched tape on the dude could see he wasn't elite class and had nothing that could threaten Floyd. Plus he had only two previous bouts at Welterweight... Seeing the reaction after that fight was hilarious, everyone calling him the GOAT after beating the beast that is Guerrero.

Now this brings me to the Mosley, Cotto and Ortiz fights. Against Mosley Floyd showed tremendous grit and determination to stand his ground after those brutal blows that he got caught with. But Mosley was 37 going on 38 and Floyd was 33. Floyd got caught badly in that fight by a guy 5 years his senior and looked very flatfooted.

Against a shot Cotto he was getting outmuscled and tagged like he's not used to being. His stamina was great but again he was getting into situations that are unusual for a guy like Floyd, there was one round against him that was the most dominant i've seen against Floyd and again he didn't look fleet footed at all.

Against Ortiz he looked the worst of the three I've mentioned in my opinion. Ortiz was doing pretty damn well before he blew a fuse and broke down mentally. Ortiz was tagging him with the straight left, outmuscleing him, and walking through his shots. Mayweather looked again flat footed and a lot less mobile and light on his feet than Ortiz. Floyd felt threatened in that fight which I believe played a part in him dishing out that cheap shot.. justifiable or not.

Pacquiao recently lost his last two fights. The first was a clear as day robbery and the second was against a roided up Marquez. Despite the fact that he lost these fights he still showed that he has ''it''. His physical attributes are still there, before the Marquez KO we could see that the speed, power, footwork and explosiveness is still there, maybe not 2009 levels but it's still there regardless.

Dafuq i just read ....

[-2 Scrappy-]

I agree to a degree except for Marquez being on roids. Why cant you just admit he got caught? Everybody at admits it was a back and forth fight and the best Pac has looked vs Marquez since the 2nd fight before he ran into that right hand.

But since Marquez KOd him suddenly hes roided up? BS. I agree Ortiz was doing well til he lost his damn mind. I dont give as much greif on Floyd for the cheap shot since Ortiz intentionally headbutted him. And Guerrero was too damn slow to give Floyd any trouble. Berto only looked bad because he went toe to toe letting Guerreros toughness and cardio come into play.


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[Augustane]

This is why posters splattered with red K shouldn't be allowed to create threads.

Irrelevant to the thread: the karma system doesn't exactly reflect the poster's content. A lot of red K gets thrown around because people don't like other people's opinions.

[Daddy T]

Irrelevant to the thread: the karma system doesn't exactly reflect the poster's content. A lot of red K gets thrown around because people don't like other people's opinions.

red k just comes from nuthuggers and haters so a guy being in red doesn't mean that much
I only give red if somebody always one of the above gives me a red first.