Lucky punch or planned it all along by rd 8?

[SplitSecond]

not many lucky punches in boxing, but that was one of them

marquez after the 5th came out winging that shot over, and over, and over with no regards to what pacquiao was actually doing, e.g rd 5 after kd, pacquiao throws a right hook-marquez answers with the overhand, marquez could have easily walked into that right hook, another e.g pacquiao throws a lead left, marquez answers with overhand, pacquiao fients, marquez throws overhand

he was looking for a hailmary shot, he knew he could hurt pacquiao now after the third, marquez looking for grace, got it when pacquiao repeat what he did in rd 1, after the 10 second clap, tried his infamous double fient left(im guessing because he feels he can get the most power in his cross after his jab)

so anyway, attempting another big shot at marquez, ****er slides his foot under marquez'(as marquez steps foward) and now all he can do is fall right in line to marquez' crazy man overhand, and that's it

p.s, the straight right marquez throws in sparring aint even the same punch, he wasn't trying a straight here, he was throwing an overhand, like roy jones said, those wide shots i.e hooks/haymakers

[marvelousmatt]

I don't think Marquez was as hurt as the HBO crew wanted us to think. People are acting like he was on his last legs. Truth is he has been hurt worse in other fight (Diaz, Pacquiao 1 and 2, and Katsidis come to mind). Marquez has an ability to either keep a clear head or con his opponents into thinking he is more hurt than he really is. Look at the Katsidis fight after the KD he looks very hurt, laying on the ropes, but he starts countering and getting the better of the exchanges.


Was Pac winning the fight? Yes but not completely dominating. Also, the first and second fight demonstrate that Marquez has the ability to switch the momentum at any moment so it was not a given that Pac would have won had Marquez not knocked him out.


Was he about to stop Marquez? I don't think so. I don't think Marquez has ever been stopped eventhough he has been hurt worse in other fights. His nose was bleeding which I think makes people think that he was ready to go , but his nose was broken in the first fight with pac and he still managed to finish the fight.

Marquez was busted open badly from the bridge of his nose and had some kind of leg injury going on.He was hurt badly IMO but is one dangers MOFO at all times..

[tangalog2200]

if your not going to talk boxing then dont quote me,,,

i got no time for childish remarks and games



Yes your right that you can never tell if a shot is going to put the guy asleep..
but that doesnt mean that jmm was trying to ko him,,, you never know what punch will do it,, but that does stop guys from trying,,,
do you think mike tyson knew what punch would ko spinks or holmes,, No, but he threw his punches to end the fight,,,
Same with JMM,,, he didnt know what punch would do it,, it happened to be a counter right when manny fell in after a double feint,,,

Bottomline is that JMM was trying to put manny out,, he did so,,, and yes i think manny was on the verge of stopping him,, but jmm threw big shots and ko'd manny,, it was a great fight.. JMM was not lucky, he trained to throw that punch, knew manny would be there,,,
JMM wasw trying to ko manny,, he ko'd manny,,, i cant say that its just a lucky punch..

and thanks for not being a childish idiot, and actually talking boxing in your post...

hmmmmmmmmm so it was an "unlucky punch?"....

as jmm planned, trained and tried to ko pac, the same thing could equally be said of pac....that was why jmm's nose was busted badly

saying one fighter got lucky is not to diminish the value of a win.....

to say a fighter was not "lucky" with a win is to say a fighter is not unlucky with a loss..

no matter how good one is, how hard one trained and fight...the element of luck is always there...no matter who the protagonists are....after all..boxing is still a game...

a game of chances....of opportunities...to hit or to be hit

and as the saying goes...to play games is to play with luck

[ManUtd626]

Marquez was busted open badly from the bridge of his nose and had some kind of leg injury going on.He was hurt badly IMO but is one dangers MOFO at all times..

He was bleeding from the nose and had a small cut. His nose was worse in the first fight. Unless pac opened that cut even more I doubt it would have been stopped because the blood was not affecting his ability to see.

I disagree that he was badly hurt, he still had his head clear. I think the last 20 sec makes it look worse than it was. Pacquiao lands a good left straight, Marquez attempts to rally with a combination in an attempt to win the round, Pacquiao defends it well, Marquez resets/backs off, Pacquiao tries to go after Marquez in response to Marquez's rally attempt, he Jumps in carelessly (Pacquiao does this more often than his fans will admit), and he gets caught. Fight over.

[EvilGenius]

Marquez is one of the best counter punchers ever
he was tagging Manny with that right all night....
and when he KOed Manny 2nd time... That punch landed.. PERFECTLY... he could try that punch 1000 time again and still not land as cleanly as it did.

[IronDanHamza]

Marquez saw an opening, threw a punch with intention to to do damage and knocked out his opponent.

That's not luck, that's boxing.

Even if Marquez had closed his eyes, done 3 backflips, jumped on the top rope and threw a flying double fist without looking that happened to knock out his opponent, it still wouldn't be lucky, it would be Boxing.

Point being, no punches in boxing are lucky. The point of the game is throw punches and land punches, how they get from A to B is irrelevant.

[IronDanHamza]

not many lucky punches in boxing, but that was one of them

marquez after the 5th came out winging that shot over, and over, and over with no regards to what pacquiao was actually doing, e.g rd 5 after kd, pacquiao throws a right hook-marquez answers with the overhand, marquez could have easily walked into that right hook, another e.g pacquiao throws a lead left, marquez answers with overhand, pacquiao fients, marquez throws overhand

he was looking for a hailmary shot, he knew he could hurt pacquiao now after the third, marquez looking for grace, got it when pacquiao repeat what he did in rd 1, after the 10 second clap, tried his infamous double fient left(im guessing because he feels he can get the most power in his cross after his jab)

so anyway, attempting another big shot at marquez, ****er slides his foot under marquez'(as marquez steps foward) and now all he can do is fall right in line to marquez' crazy man overhand, and that's it

p.s, the straight right marquez throws in sparring aint even the same punch, he wasn't trying a straight here, he was throwing an overhand, like roy jones said, those wide shots i.e hooks/haymakers

So, he was trying over and over again to land the same punch and when it happens to land it's somehow lucky despite the fact he is trying to land that specific shot?

[Roja's480]

it wasn't lucky...it was all calculated...including stepping on PAC's foot so he can get a more direct shot

3rd fight Marquez steps on PACs foot and outboxes him, 4th fight PAC steps on Marquez foot and gets ktfo.

The fact that you idiots are still having this ******ed debate proves to every lifelong fan that you're nothing more but moronic dip****s who can't possibly be older than 15.

Marquez landed the counter right hand on Manny's chin all night long. Including the exact same counter right down the pipe on Manny with 1:49 left in round 5, directly after Manny knocked him down and came in for the kill.

FFS, even a punchy Roy Jones picked up on that punch and let out an audible "OHHHH!!!", even the incredibly biased Jim Lampley acknowledged it, yet still you imbeciles are scratching your heads about whether it was "lucky" or not.

Do us all a favor and go watch another sport, please. You embarass all of us with bull**** like this.

I believe you Fat Yanks say "qft", right?

[SplitSecond]

So, he was trying over and over again to land the same punch and when it happens to land it's somehow lucky despite the fact he is trying to land that specific shot?

if he was trying to land it smartly that's a different thing

he was using it as a reaction to anything and everything pacquiao brought to him, he was desperate, and 90% of the time he was missing it

unless he anticipated the double fient long before it even happened and planned the footstomp, it was luck, he was winging to everything while pacquiao mixed up his offense, until pacquiao finally gave marquez the perfect variation for his overhand, marquez probabley didn't even know what pacquiao was coming in to do, he was just doing what he has been doing since being kd'd, winging it

and would it have even landed if not for pacquiao's front leg being directly underneath him? if the foot stomp didn't happen pacquiao likely would have pushed off his front foot and leaned away from the punch, or changed directions as he often does

fluky ko, with impeccable timing got him an awesome foot stomp