Pacquiao has been brutally KO'd and rebounded 3x now.

[Frank Ducketts]

@ Frank,

Are you going to answer why Floyd never mentioned Paul Williams when Williams wasn't even with Top Rank?

There is no reason. The fight didn't get made.

[Frank Ducketts]

A fight with Cotto summer of 2008 is a superfight. That's as big of a fight you can make at that time; even bigger than the Hatton fight.

According to Floyd, Arum wasn't the problem, Cotto's "fan base" was.

How did Floyd want the Cotto fight in 2004/2005 when Cotto had no fan base, but didn't want it in 2008 when Cotto did have a fan base?

Lastly, as long as you say "Floyd only wanted big fights" and you think that's ok to not fight entire division of options during that time, then I can say "Floyd should've fought Cotto in 08".

How many times do we have to go in circles? Floyd Cotto in 08 was not a super fight, lmao. That is a good fight, but again, you're not taking in what I'm saying. Floyd was not going to fight any Top Rank fighter unless they left Top Rank, and even then he only wanted to take on big names. Cotto was starting to become big and a few more victories at ww would've forced Floyd and his fans to take serious consideration of that potential fight. Cotto lost to Margarito. Beating Shane didn't make Cotto Floyd big. How much did Cotto-Margarito sell?

Now as far as Floyd coming to 140, Floyd was not ppv material yet. That's what he was looking for. A ppv fight with Cotto who had like 5 defenses at jww or Kostya Tszyu. He couldn't get those fights while he was with Top Rank and that is why Floyd-Gatti was ppv.

[BoxingGenius27]

How many times do we have to go in circles? Floyd Cotto in 08 was not a super fight, lmao. That is a good fight, but again, you're not taking in what I'm saying. Floyd was not going to fight any Top Rank fighter unless they left Top Rank, and even then he only wanted to take on big names. Cotto was starting to become big and a few more victories at ww would've forced Floyd and his fans to take serious consideration of that potential fight. Cotto lost to Margarito. Beating Shane didn't make Cotto Floyd big. How much did Cotto-Margarito sell?

Now as far as Floyd coming to 140, Floyd was not ppv material yet. That's what he was looking for. A ppv fight with Cotto who had like 5 defenses at jww or Kostya Tszyu. He couldn't get those fights while he was with Top Rank and that is why Floyd-Gatti was ppv.

There's no going in circles about it. Cotto only fought Margarito because Floyd retired. If Floyd doesn't retire, the Margarito-Cotto fight never happens.

I bumped an article for you on the front page to show you how Mayweather just straight said no to Cotto because of his fan base and to show you the atmosphere for that fight "back then".

Cotto had more victories at WW and was clearly the more proven fighter at WW pre-plasterman, but Floyd just str8 said no and retired.

Don't blame me, blame Floyd

[BoxingGenius27]

How many times do we have to go in circles? Floyd Cotto in 08 was not a super fight, lmao. That is a good fight, but again, you're not taking in what I'm saying. Floyd was not going to fight any Top Rank fighter unless they left Top Rank, and even then he only wanted to take on big names. Cotto was starting to become big and a few more victories at ww would've forced Floyd and his fans to take serious consideration of that potential fight. Cotto lost to Margarito. Beating Shane didn't make Cotto Floyd big. How much did Cotto-Margarito sell?

Now as far as Floyd coming to 140, Floyd was not ppv material yet. That's what he was looking for. A ppv fight with Cotto who had like 5 defenses at jww or Kostya Tszyu. He couldn't get those fights while he was with Top Rank and that is why Floyd-Gatti was ppv.

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=174247

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153824

Show me anywhere here about Top Rank or Bob Arum being the problem in 2008 and how Floyd-Cotto wasn't a superfight then?

Feel free to bump any article you have that makes your point. I guarantee you you can't because it doesn't exist.

I have several that I can bump

[Frank Ducketts]

There's no going in circles about it. Cotto only fought Margarito because Floyd retired. If Floyd doesn't retire, the Margarito-Cotto fight never happens.

I bumped an article for you on the front page to show you how Mayweather just straight said no to Cotto because of his fan base and to show you the atmosphere for that fight "back then".

Cotto had more victories at WW and was clearly the more proven fighter at WW pre-plasterman, but Floyd just str8 said no and retired.

Don't blame me, blame Floyd

Damn man how many times are we going to go in circles lol. Was Cotto with Top Rank in 08?

[BoxingGenius27]

Damn man how many times are we going to go in circles lol. Was Cotto with Top Rank in 08?

Why no articles, bumps or anything saying Arum was the problem in 08?

[Frank Ducketts]

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=174247

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=153824

Show me anywhere here about Top Rank or Bob Arum being the problem in 2008 and how Floyd-Cotto wasn't a superfight then?

Feel free to bump any article you have that makes your point. I guarantee you you can't because it doesn't exist.

I have several that I can bump

Damn, again. Was Cotto with Top Rank in 08? And how do you know that Cotto Margarito never gets made?

[Frank Ducketts]

Why no articles, bumps or anything saying Arum was the problem in 08?

Damn, again. When Floyd left Top Rank, how many fighters did he fight while they were still with Top Rank? Hopefully you will understand this.

[-FLIP-]

Those were body shots, Pac was KTFO his last fight and is older now.

However, being KTFO with one punch is better than taking a beating and eventually getting stopped. And I believe he will bounce back.

[JDezi4]

One, he was getting knocked out by lower tier competition when he made his comeback before, now he's among the elite, so the waters are a lot rougher for an aging fighter on the comeback trail

Two, remember when I said aging fighter?