Pacquiao has been brutally KO'd and rebounded 3x now.

[tangalog2200]

Beats what, lmao?
Pac's ko losses are real. Alll you have is accusations of Floyd.

floyd? didn't read his name there!

[Frank Ducketts]

..........

You didn't answer my questions.

[BoxingGenius27]

You didn't answer my questions.

I did.

There were several more fights for Floyd at 140 before moving up to WW. Kosta being one of them (I know Floyd called him out). But still, unless you provide me with a good argument, I don't consider Floyd an elite JWW at that time. Andre Ward and Carl Froch are elite SMW's. Floyd Mayweather at JWW was not elite because he still had some Spring cleaning to do in the division at that time.

Pre-plasterman, hands down, Miguel Cotto had the more proven JWW/WW resume before running into plasterman.

When the WW division was the most hottest and had undefeated guys like Williams, Margarito, Collazo, Quintana, Clottey, Mosley, Cotto, Cintron, ect all fighting each other trying to figure out who's best, Floyd fought Baldomir, Ricky Hatton coming up from 147, tried to re-match DLH at 154. Then he said Cotto lived too far, didn't have a fan base and retired when Cotto was clearly the most proven WW at the time.

And please don't say "who did they beat" because no one was proven at WW, including Floyd; which is why they all had to fight. Heck, Floyd wasn't even proven at JWW if you take out Gatti.

But to add fuel to the fire, instead of fighting Paul Williams when he came off vacation, he fought JMM. Now ask yourself, who was more proven at WW; Paul Williams or JMM?

[Frank Ducketts]

I did.

There were several more fights for Floyd at 140 before moving up to WW. Kosta being one of them (I know Floyd called him out). But still, unless you provide me with a good argument, I don't consider Floyd an elite JWW at that time. Andre Ward and Carl Froch are elite SMW's. Floyd Mayweather at JWW was not elite because he still had some Spring cleaning to do in the division at that time.

Pre-plasterman, hands down, Miguel Cotto had the more proven JWW/WW resume before running into plasterman.

When the WW division was the most hottest and had undefeated guys like Williams, Margarito, Collazo, Quintana, Clottey, Mosley, Cotto, Cintron, ect all fighting each other trying to figure out who's best, Floyd fought Baldomir, Ricky Hatton coming up from 147, tried to re-match DLH at 154. Then he said Cotto lived too far, didn't have a fan base and retired when Cotto was clearly the most proven WW at the time.

And please don't say "who did they beat" because no one was proven at WW, including Floyd; which is why they all had to fight. Heck, Floyd wasn't even proven at JWW if you take out Gatti.

But to add fuel to the fire, instead of fighting Paul Williams when he came off vacation, he fought JMM. Now ask yourself, who was more proven at WW; Paul Williams or JMM?

Look, your distortion of the truth does not work here. Floyd didn't want to stay at jww unless he could fight a big name. Floyd was an elite jww the minute he came to the weight. Floyd couldn't get a fight with Kostya, and Cotto's people said that Cotto wasn't ready. This came from Cotto's uncle's mouth and Arum. We understood as fight fans at that time. Cotto needed more schooling.

The only big money fight at 140 was Gatti when he couldn't get Cotto or Tszyu.

When Floyd came to 147, he clearly wanted the Dlh fight. Floyd wanted a big fight or the WBC title which is what his track record consists of. He did not want to fight an unknown Margarito for his WBO title. He wanted the WBC title, and that is why he fought Baldomir.

After he left Top Rank, he didn't fight Arum's fighters because he did not want to do business with Arum. Floyd was still owed money by Arum. Both have accused each other of owing each other money.

Floyd had initially agreed to fight Margarito, but Arum wanted options on Floyd's next 2 fights if he beat Margarito, and Floyd clearly did not want that because Arum told him that you won't get 20 mil for a fight with Dlh. Arum also had a grudge against Dlh which is why Floyd had to break from Top Rank to fight Dlh. Floyd wanted out of his contract with Top Rank.

[BoxingGenius27]

Look, your distortion of the truth does not work here. Floyd didn't want to stay at jww unless he could fight a big name. Floyd was an elite jww the minute he came to the weight. Floyd couldn't get a fight with Kostya, and Cotto's people said that Cotto wasn't ready. This came from Cotto's uncle's mouth and Arum. We understood as fight fans at that time. Cotto needed more schooling.

The only big money fight at 140 was Gatti when he couldn't get Cotto or Tszyu.

When Floyd came to 147, he clearly wanted the Dlh fight. Floyd wanted a big fight or the WBC title which is what his track record consists of. He did not want to fight an unknown Margarito for his WBO title. He wanted the WBC title, and that is why he fought Baldomir.

After he left Top Rank, he didn't fight Arum's fighters because he did not want to do business with Arum. Floyd was still owed money by Arum. Both have accused each other of owing each other money.

Floyd had initially agreed to fight Margarito, but Arum wanted options on Floyd's next 2 fights if he beat Margarito, and Floyd clearly did not want that because Arum told him that you won't get 20 mil for a fight with Dlh. Arum also had a grudge against Dlh which is why Floyd had to break from Top Rank to fight Dlh. Floyd wanted out of his contract with Top Rank.

I agree that Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd in 2004/2005, but I'm talking about 2008. The article you're talking about is from early 2006, nowhere near 2008. Arum was not the problem the fight wasn't made. Floyd said and I quote "Miguel Cotto doesn't have a fan base" as his reasoning for not fighting Cotto. Show me anywhere, just one article, where Floyd names Arum as the problem like he does today with Pac. Just because Arum apply's today, doesn't mean it wasn't something else back then.

Oh yeah and I never mentioned Margarito. I'm a firm believer that Floyd didn't duck Margarito.

I'm just saying, Floyd should've fought Cotto in early 08 when everyone was screaming for the fight. Floyd was "his own boss", correct? There were tons of options for Floyd at that time instead of retirement.

Lastly, regardless of Floyd's reasons for leaving JWW, the fact still remains that he had tons of fights there that he could've fought. I'm not saying he loses any of them, just simply saying that if you think Bruseles, Chop Chop and Gatti is cleaning out a division, you're wrong.

[BoxingGenius27]

Also, what about Paul Williams?

He's NEVER been with Bob Arum. Floyd wouldn't even mention him

[Frank Ducketts]

I agree that Cotto wasn't ready for Floyd in 2004/2005, but I'm talking about 2008. The article you're talking about is from early 2006, nowhere near 2008. Arum was not the problem the fight wasn't made. Floyd said and I quote "Miguel Cotto doesn't have a fan base" as his reasoning for not fighting Cotto. Show me anywhere, just one article, where Floyd names Arum as the problem like he does today with Pac. Just because Arum apply's today, doesn't mean it wasn't something else back then.

Oh yeah and I never mentioned Margarito. I'm a firm believer that Floyd didn't duck Margarito.

I'm just saying, Floyd should've fought Cotto in early 08 when everyone was screaming for the fight. Floyd was "his own boss", correct? There were tons of options for Floyd at that time instead of retirement.

Lastly, regardless of Floyd's reasons for leaving JWW, the fact still remains that he had tons of fights there that he could've fought. I'm not saying he loses any of them, just simply saying that if you think Bruseles, Chop Chop and Gatti is cleaning out a division, you're wrong.

First off I'm talking about when Floyd came to 140. Cotto and his people did not want the fight. Please understand this before anything. Floyd was not going to fight ANY Top Rank fighters because of Arum after he left Top Rank. That included Cotto. Do you understand what I'm saying? Floyd saying Cotto had no fanbase is Floyd saying build your fanbase and lets make a superfight. That isn't refusing a fight since both guys are prime. It still would've been hard to make that fight because of Floyd and Arums non relationship.

There is no "Floyd should've fought Cotto". That's you talking. Floyd already cleaned two divisions out before he came to 140. He only wanted big fights after that at 140 and 147. Floyd fighting Baldomir should've told you that Floyd was not going to deal with Arum. Instead Floyd's critics used that as a way to call Floyd a coward. Floyd's retirement is the sole reason why he is criticized today by some today. But as I said. Floyd was not going to fight any Top Rank fighter while Arum was the promoter.

And your last sentence doesn't even make sense.

[tibbar]

You better hope and pray your hero makes it back because the end is near. I'm talking about the true end is near. That means that you won't care about boxing after Pac loses or retires. I'll be rooting for Pacquiao, but you better pray he wins.

I've been watching boxing son, since thrilla in manila when i was just a small kid. I was watching and listening when the announcer said that mike tyson could be the youngest heavyweight boxer before his first championship fight. I've watched hagler wipe the canvass with hearns and many more. Ive been around long enough to know what a warrior spirit is and who has it. BTW i boxed when i was in secondary school.

[BoxingGenius27]

First off I'm talking about when Floyd came to 140. Cotto and his people did not want the fight. Please understand this before anything. Floyd was not going to fight ANY Top Rank fighters because of Arum after he left Top Rank. That included Cotto. Do you understand what I'm saying? Floyd saying Cotto had no fanbase is Floyd saying build your fanbase and lets make a superfight. That isn't refusing a fight since both guys are prime. It still would've been hard to make that fight because of Floyd and Arums non relationship.

There is no "Floyd should've fought Cotto". That's you talking. Floyd already cleaned two divisions out before he came to 140. He only wanted big fights after that at 140 and 147. Floyd fighting Baldomir should've told you that Floyd was not going to deal with Arum. Instead Floyd's critics used that as a way to call Floyd a coward. Floyd's retirement is the sole reason why he is criticized today by some today. But as I said. Floyd was not going to fight any Top Rank fighter while Arum was the promoter.

And your last sentence doesn't even make sense.

A fight with Cotto summer of 2008 is a superfight. That's as big of a fight you can make at that time; even bigger than the Hatton fight.

According to Floyd, Arum wasn't the problem, Cotto's "fan base" was.

How did Floyd want the Cotto fight in 2004/2005 when Cotto had no fan base, but didn't want it in 2008 when Cotto did have a fan base?

Lastly, as long as you say "Floyd only wanted big fights" and you think that's ok to not fight entire division of options during that time, then I can say "Floyd should've fought Cotto in 08".

[BoxingGenius27]

Also, what about Paul Williams?

He's NEVER been with Bob Arum. Floyd wouldn't even mention him

@ Frank,

Are you going to answer why Floyd never mentioned Paul Williams when Williams wasn't even with Top Rank?