How would you rate Ward's resume?

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  • fishscale
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    #51
    Originally posted by Sugar Adam Ali
    Except for the fact that Ward dominated froch one-handed,,, Ward on another level than froch.... i will admit that froch should get consideration on p4p 8-10 not 5
    Okay but we're talking resumes in which case Froch's is just as good if not better and it's a myth that Ward "dominated Froch one-handed" have you actually watched the fight? Ward was in a fair bit of trouble in the later rounds.

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    • baya
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      #52
      Originally posted by Bushbaby
      Ward's resume is one of the best in boxing. His and Mares' are 1a and 1b.
      this dude knows what the hell he's talking about.

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      • 4Corners
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        #53
        Originally posted by HeroBando
        Wow what a POS . Margarito murders Guerrero or Ortiz or Marquez for that matter.
        Margarito was coming off getting stopped by Mosley his last time out.......that wasn't a good fight.....

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        • Sugar Adam Ali
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          #54
          Originally posted by fishscale
          Okay but we're talking resumes in which case Froch's is just as good if not better and it's a myth that Ward "dominated Froch one-handed" have you actually watched the fight? Ward was in a fair bit of trouble in the later rounds.
          True froch got on him late,, but ward easily won....

          resume way wise,,, ward and froch are close,,, froch probably has more names but ward has never lost and has never really been in a tough fight,,, kessler beat froch, dirrel-froch could have gone either way, froch was down on the cards to taylor... Froch's only true dominant big win is bute,,,,
          Ward a lineal champ and mostly likely be a 2 division lineal champ when its all done... something Froch will never do once

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          • 4Corners
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            #55
            Originally posted by Jack Napier
            Bika is a tough journeyman, that's all
            but he wasn't shot, and 2012 Cotto was shot, so he's better
            Abraham is a good, but not elite fighter
            but he wasn't shot, and 2012 Cotto was shot, so he's better
            and Floyd-JMM was shit, still is, and always will be
            JMM is a LW, Pac is a JWW, and Floyd is a WW
            you Floyd guys don't wanna hear this, you like to play dumb
            truth is, Pac fighting either is ok, but Floyd-JMM at WW was a joke
            who else at WW but Pac could JMM beat? Pac's not a real WW himself
            you guys love piggybacking JMM's performances vs Pac
            Floyd can't claim JMM's glory for those fights, just stop
            even with Ward inactive recently, he's out of Floyd's reach
            beating Ortiz, Guerrero, shot Cotto, and Alvarez doesn't surpass Ward
            Judging by this......beating Sakio Bika or Arthur Abraham was better than Floyd beating Oscar De La Hoya or Shane Mosley, just because they weren't at their peak. That's just terrible. Cotto isn't shot first of all, and at no point in their career are beating Sakio Bika or Arthur Abraham better than beating Cotto in 2012.

            I'm not piggybacking saying because Marquez beat Pacquiao at 147, Floyd beats Pacquiao. I'm saying Floyd dominating Marquez at WW doesn't look bad now considering Marquez just beat the supposed #1 WW at the same weight.

            Pac and Floyd aren't very different in size....both come in now around 147-150 on fight night, so stop with the Floyd is bigger bull man.

            Since 2011, the last time Ward had a good win, Floyd's picked up two solid wins over Guerrero and Cotto, and is about to get a real good win over Canelo, who's the #1 fighter at JMW. Ward still doesn't even have a fight lined up yet.

            Ward can't be #1 without having a good win almost 2 years.

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            • HeroBando
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              #56
              Originally posted by 4Corners
              Margarito was coming off getting stopped by Mosley his last time out.......that wasn't a good fight.....
              No he wasn't, he was coming off a wide win over Garcia. And despite the rankings, with 2 good eyes he's a much tougher opponent than the likes of Guerrero and Ortiz. And he finishes Julio Diaz and Lazcano in 4 rounds back to back. Remember, the 2 guys you claimed as good wins when trying to boost Castillo over Cotto

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              • Mr. Fantastic
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                #57
                Overhyped/Overrated. I remember his opponents were called bums before he faced them. Example: Calzaghe vs Kessler. Now that he beat them, they turned into good.

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                • 4Corners
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                  #58
                  Originally posted by HeroBando
                  No he wasn't, he was coming off a wide win over Garcia. And despite the rankings, with 2 good eyes he's a much tougher opponent than the likes of Guerrero and Ortiz. And he finishes Julio Diaz and Lazcano in 4 rounds back to back. Remember, the 2 guys you claimed as good wins when trying to boost Castillo over Cotto
                  Doesn't change the fact that no one thought Margarito was a good opponent for Pacquiao in Late 2010. Good god, trying to change history.

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                    #59
                    Originally posted by fishscale
                    Okay but we're talking resumes in which case Froch's is just as good if not better...
                    The topic of the thread is Ward's resume. Not Froch's.

                    But when it comes to comparing Ward and Froch don't even bother looking at their resumes. Just look at their head to head matchup.

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                    • mathed
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                      #60
                      Originally posted by Jack Napier
                      Ward's #1 p4p, nobody's resume in recent yrs matches his
                      YEah right......Froch has a better resume than Ward does. Froch fought Dirrell, Kessler (twice), Bute, Glen Johnson, Arthur Abraham, Jermain Taylor, Pascal

                      Not to mention that Froch actually traveled to fight those guys. Ward isn't all that, he beat a few good guys in his own weight class...big whoop. He had to fight almost all of them in his own backyard and he had a bigger guy weight drain himself and move down.

                      When Ward moves up in weight to fight a legit lhw like Calzaghe and Hopkins did, then he'll get some respect from me. I don't see how Ward gets all this acclaim, he has a handful of wins over guys that already had losses for the most part while there are plenty of other guys who have made their marks against other great champions in many different weight classes.

                      Maybe I'm missing something, I don't know.

                      At this point, Ward has been out of the game for over a year and when other guys do that, they get bumped out of the p4p conversations. He tried to get Calzaghe out of retirement, wants Chavez to move up, is afraid of Golovkin and afraid to move up.....doesn't sound like p4p material to me.
                      Last edited by mathed; 07-28-2013, 07:27 PM.

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