How would you rate Ward's resume?

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Who was elite Ward beat, aside from Froch and Dawson??? And we can cross off Dawson because the weight was such a drastic drop.

Kessler is a good, but was he "elite"???

Alvarez beat Trout, and is the #1 guy at JMW. Guerrero was a decent win over a Top 5 WW, same with Ortiz at the time, and same with Cotto at JMW.

At the time of the fight, Kessler was the favourite, and he was favourite to win the tournament prior the Ward fight.

Kessler then went on to beat Froch. I think it's fair to say that it was an 'elite' Kessler. The actual fight itself is one that is tainted in my opinion. There would have been a disqualification, or at the very least point deductions anywhere else but Oakland.

[4Corners]

Ward cleaning out your 168>Floyd beating 2 guys who beat Berto
Ward beating Dawson at SMW>Floyd beating shot Cotto at JMW
if you can't see that, don't know what the fuck to tell you
Floyd's a bigger star than Ward and gets rated higher solely for that
Ward's resume in recent yrs shits all over Floyd's

I thought we're talking about lately.....which is what the P4P list was supposed to be, I thought.

Ward has 1 very good win over Froch, another real good win over Kessler, than 2 decent/solid wins over Bika and Abraham.

Mayweather has a real good win at the time over Mosley, in the ear view you can say Mosley was pretty much done, but at the time there were people picking Mosley and everyone said Floyd needed to fight him at that point. Than he has 3 decent/solid wins over Ortiz, Cotto, and Guerrero. Now he'd have another real good win over Canelo.

Not to mention though it was utter bulls**t at the time, Marquez being Manny arguably twice at WW makes Floyd's win look legit now.

It's not some land slide, and Ward hasn't really done anything since Froch 19 months ago.

[4Corners]

At the time of the fight, Kessler was the favourite, and he was favourite to win the tournament prior the Ward fight.

Kessler then went on to beat Froch. I think it's fair to say that it was an 'elite' Kessler. The actual fight itself is one that is tainted in my opinion. There would have been a disqualification, or at the very least point deductions anywhere else but Oakland.

It was a good Kessler, maybe not Kessler at his peak, but still good.

I was saying was Kessler an elite fighter in the sport, I guess we're missing the definition of what Napier considers "elite". I think the only "elite" guys Ward beat were Froch and Dawson, and 1 of those shouldn't even count given the weight.

Kessler was elite at 168, the same way Canelo is elite at 154 right now. Canelo beating Trout, though I was on some bulls**t right after the fight, after re-watching it, Canelo won a clear decision. Canelo beating him was no joke, Trout beats most anyone at 154.

[Jack Napier]

I thought we're talking about lately.....which is what the P4P list was supposed to be, I thought.

Ward has 1 very good win over Froch, another real good win over Kessler, than 2 decent/solid wins over Bika and Abraham.

Mayweather has a real good win at the time over Mosley, in the ear view you can say Mosley was pretty much done, but at the time there were people picking Mosley and everyone said Floyd needed to fight him at that point. Than he has 3 decent/solid wins over Ortiz, Cotto, and Guerrero. Now he'd have another real good win over Canelo.

It's not some land slide, and Ward hasn't really done anything since Froch 19 months ago.

we are talking about lately
in recent yrs, Ward's owned everyone in his division
he's become the rightful world champion at his weight in doing so
and he's only off now because he's hurt, he took no other breaks
NOBODY was picking Mosley to beat Floyd
people hate Floyd and wanted to see Shane beat him
but who the fuck actually picked Shane? he was shot
people only wanted that fight in lieu of the Pac fight
Mosley was the next most visible name, but he was shot man
Ortiz, Guerrero, and Alvarez are decent wins for Floyd
Cotto isn't, he was done after Pac demolished him
what the hell did he do to reestablish himself as a force since then?
Ward's individual wins and wins as a whole the past 4 yrs>Floyd's
Floyd has no business being ranked ahead of Ward

[4Corners]

we are talking about lately
in recent yrs, Ward's owned everyone in his division
he's become the rightful world champion at his weight in doing so
and he's only off now because he's hurt, he took no other breaks
NOBODY was picking Mosley to beat Floyd
people hate Floyd and wanted to see Shane beat him
but who the fuck actually picked Shane? he was shot
people only wanted that fight in lieu of the Pac fight
Mosley was the next most visible name, but he was shot man
Ortiz, Guerrero, and Alvarez are decent wins for Floyd
Cotto isn't, he was done after Pac demolished him
what the hell did he do to reestablish himself as a force since then?
Ward's individual wins and wins as a whole the past 4 yrs>Floyd's
Floyd has no business being ranked ahead of Ward

P4P to me is what have you done the past couple years, Ward hasn't done anything since Froch, which is almost 2 years ago now.

Mosley is the biggest flip flop is recent history. Everyone was saying before it was signed that Floyd would duck him, he wanted no part of him, and when he fights him and dominates him, it was a crap win.

Cotto wasn't a decent/solid win at the time, but Bika and Abraham are solid wins for Ward??? Those two guys aren't even as good as Cotto.

People wanted Mayweather-Pacquiao but we all know what happened the first time around in early 2010, and than everyone was saying Floyd needs to fight Mosley.

[4Corners]

If Dawson goes down to 168 and gets some solid win, I'll rate that win for Ward. Unfortunately for Ward, that'll NEVER happen.

[Jack Napier]

P4P to me is what have you done the past couple years, Ward hasn't done anything since Froch, which is almost 2 years ago now.

Mosley is the biggest flip flop is recent history. Everyone was saying before it was signed that Floyd would duck him, he wanted no part of him, and when he fights him and dominates him, it was a crap win.

Cotto wasn't a decent/solid win at the time, but Bika and Abraham are solid wins for Ward??? Those two guys aren't even as good as Cotto.

People wanted Mayweather-Pacquiao but we all know what happened the first time around in early 2010, and than everyone was saying Floyd needs to fight Mosley.

Ward isn't putting in work right now because he's hurt
when he gets back he's entitled to a tuneup fight
he can't ride the S6 forever, but for now, who's done better work?
going to SMW obviously didn't help Dawson, but that's not why he lost
everybody said Floyd would duck Shane because that's what Floyd does
you're confusing hatred with logic
nobody actually thought Shane was gonna win though
after the JMM farce, people wanted Floyd to at least fight an actual WW
if he wasn't gonna fight Pac, at least fight old man Shane
people wanted Shane to win, they didn't actually pick him to
Bika and Abraham weren't shot, so yes, they're better than 2012 Cotto

[4Corners]

Ward isn't putting in work right now because he's hurt
when he gets back he's entitled to a tuneup fight
he can't ride the S6 forever, but for now, who's done better work?
going to SMW obviously didn't help Dawson, but that's not why he lost
everybody said Floyd would duck Shane because that's what Floyd does
you're confusing hatred with logic
nobody actually thought Shane was gonna win though
after the JMM farce, people wanted Floyd to at least fight an actual WW
if he wasn't gonna fight Pac, at least fight old man Shane
people wanted Shane to win, they didn't actually pick him to
Bika and Abraham weren't shot, so yes, they're better than 2012 Cotto

I'm not even a Cotto fan, at all, but at no point in there career are Bika and Abraham better wins than Cotto in 2012. At no point.

I agree, Marquez was crap at the time, but given what's happened since.....it's actually not too terrible, it's actually become somewhat legit.

Mosley was coming off stopping big bad Margarito, everyone said after Floyd-JMM that Floyd needed to fight Pacquiao or Mosley next, or retire and die. And those are some exact quotes.

I'm saying the last two years Ward hasn't done anything other than Froch, Dawson wasn't legit, you won't get me to say that. Mayweather has picked up a couple solid wins over Guerrero and Cotto, and is about to get a real good win over Canelo.

[Jack Napier]

I'm not even a Cotto fan, at all, but at no point in there career are Bika and Abraham better wins than Cotto in 2012. At no point.

I agree, Marquez was crap at the time, but given what's happened since.....it's actually not too terrible, it's actually become somewhat legit.

Mosley was coming off stopping big bad Margarito, everyone said after Floyd-JMM that Floyd needed to fight Pacquiao or Mosley next, or retire and die. And those are some exact quotes.

I'm saying the last two years Ward hasn't done anything other than Froch, Dawson wasn't legit, you won't get me to say that. Mayweather has picked up a couple solid wins over Guerrero and Cotto, and is about to get a real good win over Canelo.

Bika is a tough journeyman, that's all
but he wasn't shot, and 2012 Cotto was shot, so he's better
Abraham is a good, but not elite fighter
but he wasn't shot, and 2012 Cotto was shot, so he's better
and Floyd-JMM was shit, still is, and always will be
JMM is a LW, Pac is a JWW, and Floyd is a WW
you Floyd guys don't wanna hear this, you like to play dumb
truth is, Pac fighting either is ok, but Floyd-JMM at WW was a joke
who else at WW but Pac could JMM beat? Pac's not a real WW himself
you guys love piggybacking JMM's performances vs Pac
Floyd can't claim JMM's glory for those fights, just stop
even with Ward inactive recently, he's out of Floyd's reach
beating Ortiz, Guerrero, shot Cotto, and Alvarez doesn't surpass Ward

[HeroBando]

Margarito, Mosley, and Marquez 3 were NOT good fights, at all. Rios is not a good win or fight, it's acceptable because Pacquiao was knocked out in his last fight. Bradley was his first good fight since Cotto and his first acceptable fight since Clottey.

Yeah but that's an IF, we aren't talking about 1-2 lbs here, we're talking 7 lbs he had to get down.

Wow what a POS . Margarito murders Guerrero or Ortiz or Marquez for that matter.