Does being a power puncher automatically make a fighter the probable winner.

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You had me right up until you mentioned Triple G alongside a guy like Matthysse, who is generally considered a power puncher first and foremost. Golovkin has an extensive amateur pedigree, and anybody that would consider him merely a puncher is either ******ed or hasn't properly followed his career.

****, even Matthysse is a skilled boxer in his own right. He cuts off the ring better than just about anybody else in the sport right now, he's the best body puncher I've seen since probably Barrera, and his defense doesn't get anywhere near the amount of credit it should because he's not using a shoulder roll style like the teenaged ******s in NSB seem to think is the ultimate sign of skill.

If NSB existed back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s 'tards in here would be saying guys like Duran, Whitaker, and De La Hoya were trash because they didn't do pull-counters.

I didn't mean I have him as a puncher (GGG), people assume he is a puncher so they believe he is the probable winner. I think he is a tremendously skilled fighter and so is Matthysse. I was trying to explain how the casual boxing fan would assume that they are punchers rather than skilled boxers who CAN punch too.

[ßringer]

to be fair the dominant fighters of any era are more skills than power,,

floyd, ward, jmm, now
whittaker, roy jones 90's
holmes, SRL, chavez 80's
70's ali
SRR in the 50's
Willie pep

Generally, I agree. But Jones is a terrible example. Jones was far more a physical freak than he was a skilled boxer. Ali, too. Both guys were blessed with unnatural reflex speed and got away with **** that fighters who weren't would've been murdered for. (Pulling away from punches, for starters.)

Roy was also an explosive puncher, too.

[boliodogs]

It is not just that he hits harder than Garcia that he is expected to win the fight. He is better than Garcia in speed, punching variety and accuracy, workrate, stamina, and he takes a better punch. He has looked better against better opposition than Garcia. Judah, who fought Lucas years ago when Lucas was not as good and just fought Garcia, picked Lucas to win by KO. The pro odds makers have Lucas almost a 3 to 1 favorite to win. They are not fans of one fighter or the other and they aren't influenced by hype. It is just business. If you think Garcia will win the fight and you are a betting man then you should put some money on Garcia. If Garcia wins you will get back $220 for every $100 you bet. I'm betting on Lucas to win even though I only win $100 for every $275 I bet.

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Not always, but when the two men in question are both known to **** it out, the edge obviously always goes to the guy with the more powerful punches and the more proven chin. That man in the Garcia/Matthysse fight is Matthysse.

LMFAO nice logic bra

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Danny just does not have the movement needed to tame lucas,,, zab and alexander both have good movement and still lucas gave them hell...

you have to be a great mover like a whittaker or floyd to neutralize lucas....

Danny is average in all traits,, ok handspeed, ok power,ok chin, ok stamina, he is decent in all departments,, he just doesnt excel in anything,, Khan was owning him till the huge counter shot, but hell julio diaz did the same thing basically,,, Garcia will have to catch lucas coming in,, i just think down the stretch lucas will be too much for danny

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Danny just does not have the movement needed to tame lucas,,, zab and alexander both have good movement and still lucas gave them hell...

you have to be a great mover like a whittaker or floyd to neutralize lucas....

Danny is average in all traits,, ok handspeed, ok power,ok chin, ok stamina, he is decent in all departments,, he just doesnt excel in anything,, Khan was owning him till the huge counter shot, but hell julio diaz did the same thing basically,,, Garcia will have to catch lucas coming in,, i just think down the stretch lucas will be too much for danny

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Originally Posted by ßringer

Katsidis and De La Hoya were never considered power punchers at any point in their respective careers. Chavez Jr also isn't a power puncher, he's a volume puncher similar to Margarito. Also, since you're into the whole excuse making thing, Trinidad was coming off of a lengthy retirement when he fought Wright. Interesting that you only make excuses for the fights that dismiss your point.

Regardless, I can name drop another 15-20 fights where legitimate punchers and more determinated fighters beat the holy hell out of guys who were generally considered slicker or more skilled, but I digress. The point of the matter is that skills don't always win fights. You'd have to be a complete ****** to try to argue that they do. Not saying you are or anything. Just stating fact.

He was the power puncher when compared to tiny serg,,,
Trinidad wasnt off a lenghty retirement, he just whooped mayorga and then got spanked by winky

Yes you are correct that the more willful guy can sometimes win,, mares beating chemito was a fight that ruins my theory, but then you still have rigo destroying donaire....

Not saying power punchers cant win,, but p4p is filled with non-power punchers,, look at floyd, ward, serg, jmm, rigo, bradley, none of those guys are big punchers.....
Punching power is highly overrated especially vs top elite competition, Espn caliber fighters yes power means alot,, but at the higher levels, its the skills that usually determine the outcome,,,

I dont what to argue with you, you seem to be a smart fan,, I myself when betting on fights look to has the better def, counterpunching and movement,,, They dont call it the sweet science for nothing...

I wouldn't call Donaire a harder puncher than Rigo. Going into the fight I had them equal in that department or slightly favoring Rigo. Then we saw who was pushing who back on fight night and we know Donaire had the weight advantage. Sure Donaire KDed him but we know how that came about. I don't think that was a good example from you.


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[boliodogs]

People don't always pick the harder puncher to win. Canelo is a harder puncher than Mayweather and yet most people pick Mayweather to win. Garcia has never found a way to win over any fighter as good as Matthysse because he has never fought any fighter nearly as good as Matthysse. I doubt the left hook that first knocked down Khan would slow Lucas down much. I have never seen Matthysse hurt in any fight.

[kiaba360]

Obviously power is only one category of many to take into consideration. Matthysse carries more power in each shot, has a higher work-rate and forces his opponent to think and react quickly. I think they're pretty similar in the speed department, but Garcia spends more time flat-footed to get max leverage on his counters. Both have a responsible defense, but LM gets hit more as he's usually the one pressing forward. LM also has the experience edge, and probably has the deeper gas tank.

[ßringer]

LMFAO nice logic bra

WTF is this even supposed to mean? Speak English when you respond to me or don't respond at all. Stick to the points I've made or piss off.