Does being a power puncher automatically make a fighter the probable winner.

[ßringer]

And no, I'm not saying Canelo beats Floyd or Stevenson beats Dawson, or any other fight wherein a stronger man faces a more skilled one. That's you jumping to conclusions and putting words in my mouth to make it appear like you're accomplishing something in this debate, which quite frankly, you aren't.

Fights need to be evaluated on a fight-by-fight basis. You don't just consider skills. You look at past performances, chin, heart, and a lengthy list of other intangibles before coming to a conclusion. Fighter A doesn't always beat fighter B just because he has more skills. It's a 50/50 thing. Which is my original point, verbatim.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Katsidis and De La Hoya were never considered power punchers at any point in their respective careers. Chavez Jr also isn't a power puncher, he's a volume puncher similar to Margarito. Also, since you're into the whole excuse making thing, Trinidad was coming off of a lengthy retirement when he fought Wright. Interesting that you only make excuses for the fights that dismiss your point.

Regardless, I can name drop another 15-20 fights where legitimate punchers and more determinated fighters beat the holy hell out of guys who were generally considered slicker or more skilled, but I digress. The point of the matter is that skills don't always win fights. You'd have to be a complete ****** to try to argue that they do. Not saying you are or anything. Just stating fact.

He was the power puncher when compared to tiny serg,,,
Trinidad wasnt off a lenghty retirement, he just whooped mayorga and then got spanked by winky

Yes you are correct that the more willful guy can sometimes win,, mares beating chemito was a fight that ruins my theory, but then you still have rigo destroying donaire....

Not saying power punchers cant win,, but p4p is filled with non-power punchers,, look at floyd, ward, serg, jmm, rigo, bradley, none of those guys are big punchers.....
Punching power is highly overrated especially vs top elite competition, Espn caliber fighters yes power means alot,, but at the higher levels, its the skills that usually determine the outcome,,,

I dont what to argue with you, you seem to be a smart fan,, I myself when betting on fights look to has the better def, counterpunching and movement,,, They dont call it the sweet science for nothing...

[dc3383]

Power is the one thing most fighter take for granted they lean on it and believe it more when they are younger then take it for granted later in there careers.

[junior gong]

The reason why I ask this is because people are giving Lucas so much praise that he can beat anyone that is not named Floyd Mayweather 140-147. To be quite honest, I would not overlook Garcia in this one and I am picking Garcia to win. If Quillin fought Golovkin, I would not overlook Quillin but Golovkin and Matthysse are two different fighters in two different weight classes. But Golovkin would probably win that fight. When it comes to Matthysses situation, it is tough to beat someone who always finds a way to win no matter how much power a fighter has. Danny Garcia always finds a way to win and I am eager to see what he will do to win this fight. I don't see how Matthysse wins this fight. I say Garcia will catch him with a left or will technically out box Matthysse.

Matthysse may be on a hot streak, but being on a hot streak does not mean you aren't a hypejob. Matthysse is a hypejob and it will be known on September 14th.

What is it with these floydiot bumsniffs running Mathysse down of late?

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Power doesn't always give the puncher an advantage, When Paulie Malignaggi goes into a fight against ANYONE do you automatically think he will lose because he is the smaller puncher? No. Everyone will have their own opinion on this, I believe that somebody with a punchers rep is generally seen as a threat, but this is only if the person he is fighting has a flaw in terms of defence and punch resistance.

A prime Margarito against a current Maidana would still favour Margarito, because he had a outstanding chin, boxing skills and relentless pressure. So the answer to your question is NO. A guy who can punch like Matthysse, GGG etc hold the reputation of being able to hurt opponents but this does not mean they are probable winners.

[ßringer]

He was the power puncher when compared to tiny serg,,,

I seriously doubt that. Coming into the fight Martinez had roughly the same amount of stoppage victories that Chavez Jr did. You're confusing size with power.

Trinidad wasnt off a lenghty retirement, he just whooped mayorga and then got spanked by winky

Mayorga is also a one dimensional brawler who was tailor made for a fighter like Trinidad to look good against. That fight meant nothing.

Yes you are correct that the more willful guy can sometimes win,, mares beating chemito was a fight that ruins my theory, but then you still have rigo destroying donaire....

Again, you fail to understand the very basic thing I'm trying to say here. Never have I said that the bigger puncher always wins, I just said that skills don't always win fights. What is so hard to comprehend about this that demands multi-paragraph length responses pointing to fights where it didn't happen over and over again?

Not saying power punchers cant win,, but p4p is filled with non-power punchers,, look at floyd, ward, serg, jmm, rigo, bradley, none of those guys are big punchers.....
Punching power is highly overrated especially vs top elite competition, Espn caliber fighters yes power means alot,, but at the higher levels, its the skills that usually determine the outcome,,,

You're looking at this issue through a very narrow lense, using mostly the present state of boxing (in a sport that popularly goes back to the early 1900s) as an argument for your case. This is nonsense.

I dont what to argue with you, you seem to be a smart fan,, I myself when betting on fights look to has the better def, counterpunching and movement,,, They dont call it the sweet science for nothing...

I'm not arguing, just fancied a debate and this topic is one that particularly intrests me, what with all the Mayweather and Broner fans NSB has, and their weird beliefs that a fighter must be flashy in order to be technically sound.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Bringer-- Good debate.... lets do it again sometime

[ßringer]

Power doesn't always give the puncher an advantage, When Paulie Malignaggi goes into a fight against ANYONE do you automatically think he will lose because he is the smaller puncher? No. Everyone will have their own opinion on this, I believe that somebody with a punchers rep is generally seen as a threat, but this is only if the person he is fighting has a flaw in terms of defence and punch resistance.

A prime Margarito against a current Maidana would still favour Margarito, because he had a outstanding chin, boxing skills and relentless pressure. So the answer to your question is NO. A guy who can punch like Matthysse, GGG etc hold the reputation of being able to hurt opponents but this does not mean they are probable winners.

You had me right up until you mentioned Triple G alongside a guy like Matthysse, who is generally considered a power puncher first and foremost. Golovkin has an extensive amateur pedigree, and anybody that would consider him merely a puncher is either ******ed or hasn't properly followed his career.

****, even Matthysse is a skilled boxer in his own right. He cuts off the ring better than just about anybody else in the sport right now, he's the best body puncher I've seen since probably Barrera, and his defense doesn't get anywhere near the amount of credit it should because he's not using a shoulder roll style like the teenaged ******s in NSB seem to think is the ultimate sign of skill.

If NSB existed back in the 70s, 80s, and 90s 'tards in here would be saying guys like Duran, Whitaker, and De La Hoya were trash because they didn't do pull-counters.

[ßringer]

Power is the one thing most fighter take for granted they lean on it and believe it more when they are younger then take it for granted later in there careers.

This is a point I generally agree with.

It's gotta be some kind of gift though, no? Imagine being a natural puncher who just liquefied any dude he hit cleanly. It has to be difficult to stay grounded enough to work on the other aspects of your game when crazy power like that just comes to you naturally.

Hearns is a great example of a guy like that, yet he was able to remain dedicated enough to hone his craft alongside it, whereas someone like Randall Bailey obviously never got beyond it.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

to be fair the dominant fighters of any era are more skills than power,,

floyd, ward, jmm, now
whittaker, roy jones 90's
holmes, SRL, chavez 80's
70's ali
SRR in the 50's
Willie pep