Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[r.burgundy]

then u shouldnt guess.

then explain how a guy who won every round was running away lol

[r.burgundy]

just more bad in your book.

whatever fits your agenda, as with your beating Ali three times is easier than beating 3 bums theory.

ok lol

norton would find it easier to beat ali 3 times lol

[DreamFighter]

then explain how a guy who won every round was running away lol

again you read it entirely wrong. Klit ran away from a rematch and hid in fear for ages.

It would be really really bad if he couldnt handily be on top of a natural MW when hes a SHW. Vitali is not crap, you know.

[DreamFighter]

ok lol

norton would find it easier to beat ali 3 times lol

...than to beat 3 bums.


excellent, that's your opinion I wanted confirmed. Its a unique opinion anyway.

[r.burgundy]

again you read it entirely wrong. Klit ran away from a rematch and hid in fear for ages.

It would be really really bad if he couldnt handily be on top of a natural MW when hes a SHW. Vitali is not crap, you know.

ran away from a rematch?do you know anything about boxing?
he destroyed byrd in the 1st fight,then byrd fought wladimir in his very next fight 4 months later lol.what on earth should their have been a rematch for

[r.burgundy]

...than to beat 3 bums.


excellent, that's your opinion I wanted confirmed. Its a unique opinion anyway.

nortons 1st loss came to a bum lol.if those bums had power,they would give norton a tougher fight than ali

[DreamFighter]

Welcome to Planet Klit, where -

ran away from a rematch?do you know anything about boxing?
he destroyed byrd in the 1st fight

- a Klitschko loss to a MW is really a superlative win! and -

,then byrd fought wladimir in his very next fight 4 months later lol.what on earth should their have been a rematch for

- where Klit can get another fighter to reverse the loss for him while he hides.

[New England]

Wladimir is definitely a top 15 HW.

This alone gets him in:

jab doesn't have hatred in his heart for the fans of wladimir, though. tis vitali fans he chiefly hates; the malignant fans that have plagued mankind since time began; the fans that maw and mutilate our race, not killing us outright but letting us live on, with half a heart and half a lung.

tis a backlash from TKO6gate. vitali tasks jab. he heaps jab.

[DreamFighter]

nortons 1st loss came to a bum lol.if those bums had power,they would give norton a tougher fight than ali

all I gotta do is reply with this now, thx -

norton would find it easier to beat ali 3 times ...than to beat 3 bums.

excellent Tyson fury self punch there.

[BattlingNelson]

Lets call it 20 since that's what the IBRO goes by. Does it really matter though? I asked a question based on personal opinion. You've chosen to troll this thread because you don't like that opinion. You're an educated boxing fan, you may rank him 18th. While I may not agree I don't have any serious issues with it like I would the bozo's who rank him top 10 all time. So the question remains....based on his resume do YOU think he's an ATG?

Of course it matters. Otherwise it wouldn't be reasonable to question and ridicule those posters saying Vitali is an ATG. I mean what if their defintion of ATG is top 100? Or maybe top 30. In both cases only bonafide haters or noobs wouldn't have him as an ATG.

Now concerning your list well it's not that bad. It's made several years ago so Wlad wold probably be higher today. How you ranked Vitali then and now is still a mystery, but he is likely far away from the top 20 given all the ridicule you have dished out.

The list might be close to some general historical consensus, but there's some points that should be made in the context of this being a Klitschko thread. Jack Dempsey, Jim Jeffries and other old timers never fought the best opposition due to the colour barrier. If they did it's quite possible their record would be different. That should detract from their standing.

Schmeling, while being the best of the pre Louis era is likely not top 20 but close. He has that magical Louis win, but there's also some losses that should detract.

Several other points could be made. As you know you can critisize any record by personal preference and so be it.

I dont have a clear cut top 20 myself, but there's fighters in the above list that I rate below Vitali, so hed make my list.

Whether that makes him an ATG in my book.... No. I reserve that distinction to the creme de la creme.