Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[JAB5239]

the main problem is people need to stop pretending that the hw division has been chock full of great fighters.the division has rarely had more than 2 great fighters in their peak at any 1 time.nuthuggers love to romanticize the 70's and talk about norton,frazier,quarry.these guys were avg talents and fighters who put on some memorable fights.1 great fight doesnt make you a great fighter.if you make a top 100lb for lb their would likely be less than 10 true hw's on it.the talent in that division has always been ****,it just always had a mystique that lower weights dont have because they are much bigger men and they hit the hardest

If this is true than Vits arguable standing is in serious peril. Because without the Lewis fight, even though he lost, he has very little to go on.

Calling Norton, Frazier and Quarry average talents when talking about this era is an absolute joke, right? Because the difference between them and today fighters is not only a huge gap in skills, but in the willingness to fight other top fighters and continue on win or lose.

[BoxerGG]

Who is that person in your avatar?

[JAB5239]

Who is that guy in your avatar?

Who is that person in your avatar?

You asked that last time tight before you were banned. Lets see if you can make double digit posts before getting banned again.

[r.burgundy]

If this is true than Vits arguable standing is in serious peril. Because without the Lewis fight, even though he lost, he has very little to go on.

Calling Norton, Frazier and Quarry average talents when talking about this era is an absolute joke, right? Because the difference between them and today fighters is not only a huge gap in skills, but in the willingness to fight other top fighters and continue on win or lose.

he doesnt have very little to go.he is dominating like he is supposed to.no different from holmes,tyson,jones jr,hopkins or any other champ who dominated in weaker eras

it doesnt matter what era they are in.avg is avg.frazier damn sure didnt fight everybody their was too fight so lets not go down that road.and their is no mythical huge gap in skills.this supposed huge gap in skills didnt save norton when he fought a guy who could punch,same as quarry,same as frazier.the 2 special fighters out alis time were him and george.everybody else was good to avg.no different than today or any other era

[JAB5239]

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he doesnt have very little to go.he is dominating like he is supposed to.no different from holmes,tyson,jones jr,hopkins or any other champ who dominated in weaker eras

He has missed fighting more good fighters than he has fought. And the difference between Vittles and Holmes and Tyson is the were at the top defending the heavyweight championship of the world. Holmes had 20 defenses as lineal champ, Tyson 14 I think. Vits has had zero and has never beaten the universally recognized best fighter in the division. Every other ATG has done that except Langford and Wills who were denied their shots based on color....and they still beat all the best fighters around them, something Vittles has not done.

it doesnt matter what era they are in.avg is avg.frazier damn sure didnt fight everybody their was too fight so lets not go down that road.and their is no mythical huge gap in skills.this supposed huge gap in skills didnt save norton when he fought a guy who could punch,same as quarry,same as frazier.the 2 special fighters out alis time were him and george.everybody else was good to avg.no different than today or any other era

It most certainly matters when you call an era average. Everybody in the 70's fought one another and the skill level was much higher overall. Today you have guys that won't fight other top fighters, lean on each other and suck wind after 6 rounds. Take the best contenders from the 70's and put them in today and all you would see in the ranking besides the Klits would be them. Not a single gravy train boy from today has shown the desire to fight tough fights and keep coming back for top challenges except for maybe Tony Thompson, who himself is no ATG.

[RadioBox]

I came into this thread thinking Vitali was overrated.. I leave this thread KNOWING Vitali is over rated.


Vitali will forever be remembered as the mystical 'event' winner of tko6.

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I came into this thread thinking Vitali was overrated.. I leave this thread KNOWING Vitali is over rated.


Vitali will forever be remembered as the mystical 'event' winner of tko6.

[Daddy T]

he doesnt have very little to go.he is dominating like he is supposed to.no different from holmes,tyson,jones jr,hopkins or any other champ who dominated in weaker eras

it doesnt matter what era they are in.avg is avg.frazier damn sure didnt fight everybody their was too fight so lets not go down that road.and their is no mythical huge gap in skills.this supposed huge gap in skills didnt save norton when he fought a guy who could punch,same as quarry,same as frazier.the 2 special fighters out alis time were him and george.everybody else was good to avg.no different than today or any other era

How is it different? ... well unlike the guys u mentioned Vit is not THE champ and NEVER has been. Lewis was THE champ and he beat vits. Then when lewis retired Wlad took over. WLAD is THE champ now. To put it in oldschool terms, Vit is in effect a contender who fought THE champ once and lost and has never fought THE new champ (wlad) since.

Wlad is the man in the heavyweights and has been for a long time now. he's the one with the real title, he's the one that fights the top contenders ... he fought haye ... he's fighting Povetkin ... Vits makes do with the likes of Charr and chisora and his nuthuggers say that makes him a dominant champ just like Holmes ... sheesh give me a break.

it would be like if some guy lost to an old fat Joe Louis and then was hanging around in marciano's reign never fighting marciano but beating up a on a whole load of guys ranked circa 10-30 and then had the gaul to call himself an atg who dominated during his era ... This whole debate is a joke tbh. Vits has been riding on his brother's coat tails for years.

[yoz]

How is it different? ... well unlike the guys u mentioned Vit is not THE champ and NEVER has been. Lewis was THE champ and he beat vits. Then when lewis retired Wlad took over. WLAD is THE champ now. To put it in oldschool terms, Vit is in effect a contender who fought THE champ once and lost and has never fought THE new champ (wlad) since.

Wlad is the man in the heavyweights and has been for a long time now. he's the one with the real title, he's the one that fights the top contenders ... he fought haye ... he's fighting Povetkin ... Vits makes do with the likes of Charr and chisora and his nuthuggers say that makes him a dominant champ just like Holmes ... sheesh give me a break.

it would be like if some guy lost to an old fat Joe Louis and then was hanging around in marciano's reign never fighting marciano but beating up a on a whole load of guys ranked circa 10-30 and then had the gaul to call himself an atg who dominated during his era ... This whole debate is a joke tbh. Vits has been riding on his brother's coat tails for years.

All of this^. Excellent post.

[JAB5239]

How is it different? ... well unlike the guys u mentioned Vit is not THE champ and NEVER has been. Lewis was THE champ and he beat vits. Then when lewis retired Wlad took over. WLAD is THE champ now. To put it in oldschool terms, Vit is in effect a contender who fought THE champ once and lost and has never fought THE new champ (wlad) since.

Wlad is the man in the heavyweights and has been for a long time now. he's the one with the real title, he's the one that fights the top contenders ... he fought haye ... he's fighting Povetkin ... Vits makes do with the likes of Charr and chisora and his nuthuggers say that makes him a dominant champ just like Holmes ... sheesh give me a break.

it would be like if some guy lost to an old fat Joe Louis and then was hanging around in marciano's reign never fighting marciano but beating up a on a whole load of guys ranked circa 10-30 and then had the gaul to call himself an atg who dominated during his era ... This whole debate is a joke tbh. Vits has been riding on his brother's coat tails for years.

Good reply!