Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

[JAB5239]

By virtue of JAB's ATG criteria/logic, does that preclude Wladimir Klitschko from entering the ATG debate?

A cursory look at JAB's criteria for "ATG" suggests that you have to have beaten some HOFers on your resume. I think you could argue that Chris Byrd is future hall of famer....

How about you providing a cursory link to where I provided a criteria. Oh that's right you can't because you're just making **** up. Tell us BG, does Vittles have an ATG resume?

[JAB5239]

Its highly relevant since you and jab has laughed at the posters voting for Vitali in Jab's highly skewed and biased poll. Since you both define ATG in entirely different ways, how can you then be entitled to laugh at people who might define ATG in a third Way?

Just think. Jab has Vitali just out of the top 20 while you might have him as no. 100. Big difference.

That is the glaring problem of this thread; that ATG is left undefined. How can you have the nerve to ridicule people who do nothing wrong? They just vote according to their definition which clearly cannot be wrong since ATG is undefined. That makes you a troll.


Are you joking? I'm here to point out the hypocrisy of the oft-banned boxing history moderator. And you as well, but you are frankly nothing but a small irrelevant turd in this (and other) threads. Jab is a scholar of boxing history, and a forum leader so surely he can explain how there's nothing wrong with ridiculing posters who might rank Vitali as no. 20 while he himself ranks him JUST below.

Why doesn't he ridicule you? You rank Vitali maybe a whopping 80 places below him? Odd isn't it? Instead he harassess those who rank Vitali as little as A SINGLE PLACE above himself!

What does that tell you? It tells you that the oft-banned moderator jab is just a petty troll with an agenda.

More lies. And what does me being a mod have to do with anything? If you don't like my opinions and are upset you have no arguments against them I can understand that. But bringing up my moderating position repeatedly in a negative way equals staff harassment and is CLEARLY against the rules. I guess Boston Guy just missed those posts though because we all know how fair an unbiased he is.

[JAB5239]

The blatant insulting is not acceptable. If you want to embarrass the TS go the Bat route - craft a good argument to the topic...

Embarrass me? Lmao!! He's avoided every question and point I've made on topic and instead has tried to twist the topic into something else by asking his own question in a transparent effort to keep avoiding my own. Is that what you call "crafting a good argument"?

[JAB5239]

Just as it is not acceptable to make blatant insults of another well known poster about his illness. If you are trying to embarrass other people in public about their disease, you are sick. You know this case, by the way.

Post a link or STFU already! That's right, you can't!

[hitman smax]

to be fair,lennox was really coming on at the time of the stoppage.i personally thought he was on his way to stopping vitali.lewis looked alot fresher and i dont think vit could see his punches coming.and vit was cut by the lace on lewis glove.it had raked across his eye really hard when lewis had missed a punch

Go back and watch it again, Lewis fell onto his stool. He had a round, maybe two left, and then he would have lost a war of attrition.

[hitman smax]

And now, if Klitlicker logic holds true to form, we'll get the conspiracies over Lennox having razor blades hidden in his dreads and how Wlad was poisoned ect ect ect :hahahaha9:

No excuses needed. Lewis agreed to a rematch then renegged. Vitali was game and, for years, ready to honor the post fight agreement.

Anyway, like I said, don't worry, your nightmare will be over within a few years.

Problem is, Europeans are rapidly improving and quickly taking the heavier weight divisions of boxing. The next crop are bound to be even better than the Klitschko's, as Kovalev is indication of.

[JAB5239]

What none of you brilliant and astute poster saying Vits resume is an all time great one get is its not just about fighting who you can in that era (and I've already shown Vits missed a truck load of fighters), its about what those fighters did before and after fighting Vittles. What exactly have these fighter done and gone on to before and after Vits? My argument is 'they haven't done much at all'. I challenge ANYONE to prove otherwise.

Peter - Crude slugger who went tooth and nail with a former middleweight

Adamek - Former lightheavyweight who's best win at heavy was Arreola

Arreola - Has never beaten another top 10 heavyweight

Donald - His career best win is over a ten years past his best Tim Witherspoon

Hide - His best win was over 11-1 Michael Bentt

Sanders - Never beat a top ten fighter before or after Wlad. Was stopped by Nate Tubbs

Williams - Come on, this is a guy who lost to Julius Francis

Kirk Johnson - Possessed skills but in his biggest fights always came in fat and out of shape

Gomez - Former cruiserweight who beat a few guys thought to be decent but were either past it or went on to accomplish nothing

Solis - Talented but still a novice by professional standards. Ridiculed for never being in shape

[LoneLocust]

No one is claiming that Vitali and Wladimir have had high quality opponents. Guess why? Because of when they were born. I don't know if you've noticed or not but the heavyweight division has been kind of weak in the past years. So you're judging the Klitschkos by whether or not they have access to a time machine.

Very simple question to put that mongoloid mind of yours in utter torment:

What if Ali had existed in this era?

[El Angel]

This is the thread I referenced in my thread. I respect Vitali, but that resume is not ATG worthy, no one calls Cotto an ATG, but he closely, but clearly won the poll on who was greater between him and Vitali. I'm not a Klitschko hater by any means and my thread was made more to show that Cotto is underrated than to diss Vitali.

[JAB5239]

What if Ali had existed in this era?

He would have fought EVERYBODY just like he did in his day and in no way would he rank either 1 or 2 as he does now.


You don't really think people would still rank Ali the GOAT do you?