Can you be considered an ATG when these are your 10 best wins?

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How many of these guys would have become world champion if it were not for the Klits? that would kind of put a different spin on their careers.

combining 2 fighters into 1 again? not really because being world champ doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this era. herbie hide was "world champ" and the spin on his career is that he's poop in a trash can. jimmy young was an all time great and never was champ. it's about who you beat not how much hype you have, how undefeated you are, or how many titles/defenses you have.

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I don't think Vitali is an ATG based on resume but an ATG head-to-head.

His resume is rubbish and tbf I expect many may disagree but I feel his best win is probably a nearing 40yr old Gomez. Maybe Solis if his fat ass gets in shape and he starts taking his career seriously.

For me, no Vitali's resume sucks.

I've never really got the hype and personally never have fought any version of Vitali is anywhere a patch on Wladimir.
Okay he has a better chin and is more awkward. Does feck all else better for me, doesn't have the resume, skillset or the accomplishments.

Wlad >Vitali all day for me.

Don't twist things. Gomez was 35, had successfully defended his cruiser-weight title 11 times, of which 9 were KOs, arguably the best cruiserweight champ ever with Holyfield and Moorer. He was unbeaten except for that ****** drug involved KO against Yanqui Diaz (I think) was about 6'4" but Klitschko played with him like a baby before the KO. Look at the fight on Youtube.

It's not the best lineup for an all time great, but when one considers that Klitschko had never been KD'd, lost both his fights through injuries when well ahead, and absolutely played with and demolished his opposition almost at will, I think that the balance will fall on his side. The most dominant champion since Louis.

James J. Jeffries had a similar situation although his opposition wasn't even nearly as good. His best opponents were a 12 fight Corbett he had to chase around the ring and wear down, a 60-70 fight 40 forty year old Fitzsimmons who'd mainly had bare-knuckle killers or 2 oz leather gloves until he fought Corbett just a few years before..

I think he also outlasted Sailor Tom Sharkey that tough 20 fight bare-knuckle veteran eho was 5'8 tall. He was as much as 6 inches taller than some of his opponents and he was about 40-50 lbs heavier than Fitzsimmons.

Yet he's a highly respected HOF fighter.

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combining 2 fighters into 1 again?

Wlad also gets similar criticism (maybe not from Jab but in general about weak era etc).

not really because being world champ doesn't amount to a hill of beans in this era. herbie hide was "world champ" and the spin on his career is that he's poop in a trash can. jimmy young was an all time great and never was champ. it's about who you beat not how much hype you have, how undefeated you are, or how many titles/defenses you have.

Right, but in the absence of the Klitschkos some of these guys could potentially have been the main men.

Look at Adamek, he's currently #5 and seen as an average win, but take the Klits away and he'd be near the top and would be seen as a good win for anyone else in their absence.

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Jab and Vitali strike again, lol

Man I love this sh.t

This guy was "called to order" for his constant prejudice against Klitschko, He wrote that he actually liked and was a fan of klitschko and that his featuring that picture of Klitschko in a woman's dress for years was because he really liked him. I notice that he still uses it. Too good to discard...eh??

An anti -Klitschko poseur from years back and still at it. People like that never give up.

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Don't twist things. Gomez was 35, had successfully defended his cruiser-weight title 11 times, of which 9 were KOs, arguably the best cruiserweight champ ever with Holyfield and Moorer. He was unbeaten except for that ****** drug involved KO against Yanqui Diaz (I think) was about 6'4" but Klitschko played with him like a baby before the KO. Look at the fight on Youtube.

It's not the best lineup for an all time great, but when one considers that Klitschko had never been KD'd, lost both his fights through injuries when well ahead, and absolutely played with and demolished his opposition almost at will, I think that the balance will fall on his side. The most dominant champion since Louis.

James J. Jeffries had a similar situation although his opposition wasn't even nearly as good. His best opponents were a 12 fight Corbett he had to chase around the ring and wear down, a 60-70 fight 40 forty year old Fitzsimmons who'd mainly had bare-knuckle killers or 2 oz leather gloves until he fought Corbett just a few years before..

I think he also outlasted Sailor Tom Sharkey that tough 20 fight bare-knuckle veteran eho was 5'8 tall. He was as much as 6 inches taller than some of his opponents and he was about 40-50 lbs heavier than Fitzsimmons.

Yet he's a highly respected HOF fighter.

you can't compare gomez to holyfield. i'm scared. holyfield was the linear champ, won all 3 belts, beat 2 all time greats and beat the 3 best guys in his division. gomez beat 1 ranked fighter his entire cruiserweight career. the rest of the guys he fought were bums. title defenses against bums don't mean diddly!

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Wlad also gets similar criticism (maybe not from Jab but in general about weak era etc).



Right, but in the absence of the Klitschkos some of these guys could potentially have been the main men.

Look at Adamek, he's currently #5 and seen as an average win, but take the Klits away and he'd be near the top and would be seen as a good win for anyone else in their absence.

ok take away pac and maywather and hatton is the greatst of all time? since when do we pretend guys dont exist just to make others look better? adamek sucks. his only legit win over a top tenner is arreola who's never beaten anyone in the top 10 himself. he got gift decisions against chambers and cunningham, and barely beat michael grant and jason estrada. he's not good no matter if vitali was there or not.

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Who did Ali beat to become an ATG, Patterson? Frazier? Foreman? Who did those guys beat to become ATGs? It's circular logic...I'd take prime Sam Peter to blast Frazier into a ****ing coma.

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The answer is no.

A resounding no.

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Vit isn't ATG status, he's the best 0f a bad bunch in a DEAD weight c1ass!

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Who did Ali beat to become an ATG, Patterson? Frazier? Foreman? Who did those guys beat to become ATGs? It's circular logic...I'd take prime Sam Peter to blast Frazier into a ****ing coma.

you are right. it's all the same. patterson, frazier, foreman or peter. i see no difference. they are all humans wearing gloves!