"Mayweather doesn't fight like a man"

[The Big Dunn]

good post.
great point about the scoring for potshotting.
i admire great skill, like im sure all boxing fans should, but when potshotting wins the round instead of pressing the fight & ring generalship, then thats when i scratch my head....

example, we joke about malignaggi... but he pressed the fight against broner and landed repeated body shots & WORKED the whole round; but once broner lands a clean counter shot, everyone automatically gives adrien the round. im a broner fan, but even i was frustrated at broners lack of offense, he let off the gas. i was more impressed with what paulie was able to do....

jmm is the PERFECT example of a counterpuncher that presses the fight and has GREAT ring generalship... the moment he let off the gas against pac, he gets called out quickly and loses a close decision.... broner & floyd seem to be immune to that criticism.

its all about choices, "fighting like a man" seems to be the ability to CHOOSE to go in for the kill when you can easily coast to a decision.... or CHOOSE to engage when you know you outgun your opponent instead of sitting back and prolonging the inevitable decision...

I think the mistake being made, respectfully, is that power is part of scoring. scoring is based in part on clean, effective punching. if a jab is clean it should be scored, regardless of how hard it lands or if a fan labels it a potshot.

you should fight to win. if boxing and moving-controlling the pace, ring genralship and clean punching, and defense is the best way for a fighter to win it makes no sense for them to fight another way.

[killamoneymike]

and just who the hell are you guy? some kind of boxing wizard?

[J The UnBiased]

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what about ggg or mathysse?

They're fighting at the elite level?

[mconstantine]

I've always felt safer throwing down, than waiting in the ring.

That's interesting...but it's not really correct.

Bottom line is you are most vulnerable when you're in the act of throwing punches. You probably feel safe because you're not in with guys who can make you miss and make you pay and/or are willing to punch WITH you. At the professional level, guys can do this. So Mayweather's style of fighting definitely takes LESS heart than to fight like someone like Brandon Rios.

When you tend to only throw 1 or 2 punches at a time, and you are quick with good reflexes, you will barely get hit. That's what Floyd likes to do.

But this is boxing. The objective is to hit, and not get hit. Not to "fight like a man" or "fight toe to toe and be tough". This is a sport. It doesn't take skill to just stand and trade. It takes skill to do what Floyd does. Period.

The funny thing is, Floyd is a dog and has shown it on several occassions. He just doesn't have to be.

[MurkaMan]

Floyd-Marquez wasn't boring?

You bugging, that was Floyd's best performance in his entire life. That was one of the first fights that Floyd started going the whole fight without getting grazed. Lightning fast, Roy Jones Athleticism, and the crowd was going "Oooh, Ahhh" everytime he did one of those slick flashy moves. They made that noise the entire fight. Now against Ghost, he was slow as hell and had allot of boring ass rounds!!

[MurkaMan]

If Floyd was a come-forward KO artist we wouldn't be hearing any of his fans defending "running", it would be all about the KOs and about how "Floyd is a warrior". They'd love him to be a Tyson of his division.

Most of these guys don't genuinely like him for his boxing and they find it no more exciting than the rest of us (despite what they claim), they like him for the wannabe rapper character he portrays and like to ride a winning bandwagon.

If he was a come forward fighter, we wouldnt be fans. The only reason people pay to see him fight, is because of his flashy defense. It wasnt that flashy against Ghost, but against JMM, that was athletical brilliance. Floyd was always promoted as a skilled defensive fighter and thats the reason he became big. All the trash talk he does outside of the ring, I think mostly all of us agree is and was uneeded. It has nothing to do with those once in a lifetime skills

[NEETzsche]

If he was a come forward fighter, we wouldnt be fans. The only reason people pay to see him fight, is because of his flashy defense. It wasnt that flashy against Ghost, but against JMM, that was athletical brilliance. Floyd was always promoted as a skilled defensive fighter and thats the reason he became big. All the trash talk he does outside of the ring, I think mostly all of us agree is and was uneeded. It has nothing to do with those once in a lifetime skills

yeah i enjoyed that performance too. it's even better watching it in retrospect with the knowledge that jmm proceeded to beat pacquiao twice at 147 lbs. there was a su****ion around the time of the fight that he was 'done' or couldn't handle the weight, but i guess that wasn't the case after all.

[NEETzsche]

If he was a come forward fighter, we wouldnt be fans. The only reason people pay to see him fight, is because of his flashy defense. It wasnt that flashy against Ghost, but against JMM, that was athletical brilliance. Floyd was always promoted as a skilled defensive fighter and thats the reason he became big. All the trash talk he does outside of the ring, I think mostly all of us agree is and was uneeded. It has nothing to do with those once in a lifetime skills

people will always be fascinated by the best. doesn't matter so much how floyd fights, just how good he is. like, he could be an equivalently skilled aggressive fighter and most of his fans would still appreciate that. defensive boxing has no intrinsic aesthetic advantage over offensive fighting, it just so happens that the #1 guy in boxing right now is a defensive boxer. it's good to see mastery in all its forms.

[Weebler I]

If he was a come forward fighter, we wouldnt be fans. The only reason people pay to see him fight, is because of his flashy defense. It wasnt that flashy against Ghost, but against JMM, that was athletical brilliance. Floyd was always promoted as a skilled defensive fighter and thats the reason he became big. All the trash talk he does outside of the ring, I think mostly all of us agree is and was uneeded. It has nothing to do with those once in a lifetime skills

lol sure, people watch Mayweather for his "flashy" defence. Dream on.

It's not how he became big either, he rose to prominence on the back of fighting exciting opponents like Gatti, De La Hoya and Hatton and talking ish on 24/7.

[Triumph 916]

This exactly, people think shelling up automatically makes you impenetrable. I could guarantee anyone who thinks the philly shell is an easy defense, I could guarantee you even a first weeker at a gym could crack your shell if you tried it.

Remember when Floyd was fighting Cotto and started shooting around the guard with his right? We need versatile thinking like that for someone to give May a real fight.

Just watch Berto's interpretation of the "Shoulder Roll" LOL