Manny demanding PED testing : guilty conscious maybe ?

[cameltoe]

Your 1st point is just pointless and ******ed, I think you added it to try and annoy me but failed miserably. I am discussing directly with you, I never said Marquez was on steroids, and you bringing up the KO just means you can't argue your point across correctly because it's gibberish you're spouting.

Your 2nd point is just dumb, your agenda is showing, you also do not know how much blood is taken, you've never had it taken in the same way they do I can bet. I've had my blood taken for a simple illness and they took a hefty amount for multiple tests, more is better than less in the example of blood.

Your 3rd point you are ignoring what I said and simply making a joke about it to sway your own view point. I said some bodies react badly to having blood taken, that is 100% truthful, and I also said it is logical because our bodies often have defense mechanisms to keep us alive, i.e. not wanting blood taken. How about you learn physiology or reply to what I directly say?

4th point, all speculation, absolutely no proof once more - good job kiddo, made yourself look ****** again.

Answer me this do you not believe having blood taken can weaken an individuals body? Can you not see the common sense in it? Why would he want to feel week for the most important fight he will ever have? I'll await your answer.

You ask me to form my own opinion, but the only opinion you seem to have are the excuses we were all fed by Roach and co at the time. Excuses that changed daily, were inconsistent, nonsensical sometimes, and frequently contradicted each other. And why should I provide proof to back up my points when you haven't provided any?

No I do not think the minuscule amount of blood required to be drawn (less than a tablespoon according to USADA website) would have a negative effect on performance. Certainly not from 14 days prior. You could argue I suppose that very close to the fight it may have a physcological effect I suppose. But let's assume good old Pacquiao was telling the truth about all of this all along. He's afraid of needles. Blood taken weakens him. How come then, he's quite happy to have blood taken NOW?? In one of the most important fights of his career?! Wake up FFS. The cut off asked for to try and prevent a positive test, nothing more.

Seriously, if the best you can do as a counter argument is to keep telling me I'm dumb and I'm making myself look ****** then that's very weak and reeks of the kind of ******* logic that has polluted this forum for too long.

[chessmatch]

Maybe the fact that as has moved up, his punches became less and less hurtful, so much so that many now call him feather fisted. Yet Pac moved up and continued to hurt bigger and bigger guys? All the things u said, could be applied to Pac as well...Pac is rich and wants ever edge possible as well i'm sure. The big difference is, Floyd is using a reputable company, the same one that tests our Olympic athletes to do extra testing. Pac intially agreed, only to come up with a million and one reasons not to do the testing, wanted to know when they would be and wanted a cutoff. Even let a $50-75 million dollar purse and the biggest fight ever go, just so not to tkake the test. Now, you tell me who should look more su****ious?

Do you understand what the word "style" means? Style/The way in which something is said, done, expressed, or performed. It IS Olympic "STYLE" testing because it done in the same manner as the Olympic FOR A SPECIFIED AMOUNT OF TIME! Get it? It's funny that the same people that made all excuses for Pac and claim that OSDT by USADA isn't good enough are the same ones that were claiming that the commissions drug testing was good enough. USADA has caught countless more Olympians that the boxing commissions have caught boxers. And w/ the amount of money Pac has do you really think he couldn't finance his way out of a negative test with the commission?

All boxers are su****ious.... ''Floyd is using a reputable company'' ROFLMAO the same company that couldn't get Armstrong for over a decade.

[JaYDeuce11]

WHy do you all forget that Manny agreed to the testing , but wiht just a 14 day cut-off. Also, he agreed to giving his blood sample on the day after the fight...
Get ya facts up guys c'mon now. Just look at how Floyd keeps coming up with some new stipulation, and the all time great boxers saying its Floyd fault: De La Hoya, Tyson, Holyfield etc.

[T18Z]

You ask me to form my own opinion, but the only opinion you seem to have are the excuses we were all fed by Roach and co at the time. Excuses that changed daily, were inconsistent, nonsensical sometimes, and frequently contradicted each other. And why should I provide proof to back up my points when you haven't provided any?

No I do not think the minuscule amount of blood required to be drawn (less than a tablespoon according to USADA website) would have a negative effect on performance. Certainly not from 14 days prior. You could argue I suppose that very close to the fight it may have a physcological effect I suppose. But let's assume good old Pacquiao was telling the truth about all of this all along. He's afraid of needles. Blood taken weakens him. How come then, he's quite happy to have blood taken NOW?? In one of the most important fights of his career?! Wake up FFS. The cut off asked for to try and prevent a positive test, nothing more.

Seriously, if the best you can do as a counter argument is to keep telling me I'm dumb and I'm making myself look ****** then that's very weak and reeks of the kind of ******* logic that has polluted this forum for too long.

I love it how you assume the person who has never tested positive for an illegal substance somehow must be on drugs because he denied Floyds demands. Fighting Brandon Rios isn't the same as fighting Mayweather, he's obviously doing it now more than anything to say simply remove the idea that he's ever been on steroids and to take away floyds dumb roadblock.

One of the complaints going around is that Mayweather has no right to dictate something that isn’t protocol for no reason. He 'claims' he's doing it in an attempt to clean up the sport but the only reason he's ever brought it up is in regards to Pacquaio. Floyd targeted the olympic style testing in an attempt to weaken Pacquaio as he has been documented years before previously as being weakened by it, he wanted a mental and/or physical advantage over him. The only major positive is that olympic style testing compares blood from previous years to the fighters current blood, but there would only be 1 fight (maybe 2), so using olympic style testing was just bogus and pointless, another demand which held no weight... the difference is Floyd wanted olympic style (it has no current place in professional boxing) where as Pacquaio is using VADA with Rios if I remember, it's complete different.

[straightleft]

Pac didn't agree to 14 days until years later. THey actaully offered 14 days the first time and manny said no then got caught lying so he had to change his stance

Another floydiot alt acting like a boxing expert and liar. Why can't you even use your real account? Do you even know how to use google to check your fact? Try this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8698753.stm and forward this link to your fellow floydiot alts.

[Madjab]

One of the complaints going around is that Mayweather has no right to dictate something that isn’t protocol for no reason. He 'claims' he's doing it in an attempt to clean up the sport but the only reason he's ever brought it up is in regards to Pacquaio. It's already known that you will find the same in urine as you do in blood, yet Floyd targeted the olympic style testing in an attempt to weaken Pacquaio as he has been documented years before previously as being weakened by it. The only major positive is that olympic style testing compares blood from previous years to the fighters current blood, but there would only be 1 fight (maybe 2), so using olympic style testing was just bogus and pointless, another demand which held no weight... the difference is Floyd wanted olympic style (it has no current place in professional boxing) where as Pacquaio is using VADA with Rios if I remember, it's complete different.

There is no difference. Both operate using WADA protocols.

[chessmatch]

If he was really on PEDs wouldn't he need them now of all times coming off the back of a KO loss?

If he was a cheat it doesn't make sense that he'd request testing now when he could really use the assistance.

Here's what really happened:

* FM Sr watches Pacquiao ice Hatton in 2 rounds and is convinced he's on something
* FMJ runs with that excuse since it's easier than fighting him
* Pacquiao doesn't care about testing since he wins his fights easily anyway
* Marquez keeps losing to Pacquiao so he believes the rumors too and figures 'if you can't beat them, join them' so hires Memo
* Juiced up Marquez KOs Pacquiao
* Pacquiao decides testing isn't a bad idea after all
* Marquez turns down a megabucks 5th fight

Pacquiao was never on anything but Sr started the ball rolling and it ended up with Floyd ducking his biggest fight and a juiced Marquez KO-ing the fighter of the decade.

Completlely spot on 100%. PERFECT SUMMATION.

[Madjab]

Another floydiot alt acting like a boxing expert and liar. Why can't you even use your real account? Do you even know how to use google to check your fact? Try this. http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/boxing/8698753.stm and forward this link to your fellow floydiot alts.

manny lies. big surprise.

[The Big Dunn]

Completlely spot on 100%. PERFECT SUMMATION.

how is floyd sr wrong and weebler II right? they are both using the same standard of proof.

[T18Z]

manny lies. big surprise.

Someone posts a legit link, flow-mo ignores it and says it isn't legit.

LOL