Manny demanding PED testing : guilty conscious maybe ?

[The Big Dunn]

I'll answer your last couple questions because the others have been argued about many times on this forum with no resolution.

No one said that any fighter had to sign with Top Rank to get a Pac fight but those fighters knew it would be easier to negotiate so they did it, they're choice, no one came out and said they had to.

If Floyd really is about business then he should know that Pac is the next biggest fight out there for him money wise. Even with the losses, Pac is still the man many casuals want to see against Mayweather, it's been talked about too much over the last 3 years for it not to be huge. If Pac beats Rios to a pulp you can bet this fight will be massive again.

You have to admit, Floyd is making Pac jump through an extraordinary number of hoops to fight him. How come he's never requested crazy things from other opponents?

Top Rank made JMM and Bradley do this.

[straightleft]

These black bean size brain idiots (floydiots) did not even consider if Floyd somehow didn't move the goal post from one to another. Pac should already proved he is clean long time ago but Floyd doesn't want to do that so his idiot fans can cling into their ******ity.

[The Big Dunn]

If he was really on PEDs wouldn't he need them now of all times coming off the back of a KO loss?

If he was a cheat it doesn't make sense that he'd request testing now when he could really use the assistance.

Here's what really happened:

* FM Sr watches Pacquiao ice Hatton in 2 rounds and is convinced he's on something
* FMJ runs with that excuse since it's easier than fighting him
* Pacquiao doesn't care about testing since he wins easily anyway
* Marquez keeps losing to Pacquiao so he believes the rumors too and figures 'if you can't beat them, join them' so hires Memo
* Juiced up Marquez KOs Pacquiao
* Pacquiao decides testing isn't a bad idea after all
* Marquez turns down a megabucks 5th fight

Pacquiao was never on anything but Sr started the ball rolling and it ended up with Floyd ducking his biggest fight and a juiced Marquez KO-ing the fighter of the decade.

what is the difference between you and floyd sr in determining whether manny or JMM was juiced?

Sounds like you are criticising him for doing the exact same thing as you and reaching the exact same conclusion.

[The Big Dunn]

These black bean size brain idiots (floydiots) did not even consider if Floyd somehow didn't move the goal post from to another. Pac should already proved he is clean long time ago but Floyd doesn't want to do that so his idiot fans can cling into their ******ity.

If team manny lines up for a 35 yd fg and they get a delay of game penalty-they have to move back 5 yards. Thats not moving the goalposts. Thats them costing themselves 5 yds but his fans blaming that on the goalposts.

[Weebler I]

These black bean size brain idiots (floydiots) did not even consider if Floyd somehow didn't move the goal post from to another. Pac should already proved he is clean long time ago but Floyd doesn't want to do that so his idiot fans can cling into their ******ity.

Pretty much, and that's where this thread comes from.

The bean size brain flowmo OP believed in Floyd's baseless accusations so much that he cannot compute how Pacquiao can actually want drug testing so he's coming up with irrelevant things like "guilty conscious" etc.

I suppose they believed him when Floyd said he likes his opponents to be comfortable with no catch-weights too.

[straightleft]

If team manny lines up for a 35 yd fg and they get a delay of game penalty-they have to move back 5 yards. Thats not moving the goalposts. Thats them costing themselves 5 yds but his fans blaming that on the goalposts.

During negotiation Pac demanded 30 days cut off if my memory serves me right but Floyd said we do it at 14 days. After Pac agreed to 14 days cut off Floyd moved it (goal post) to 0 day cut off. After Pac agreed to 0 day cut off, Floyd moved his goal post again by saying Pac should not get any of the ppv shares. Now if Pac agreed to no ppv shares Floyd already moved his goal post by demanding he should beat Marquez and Bradley first. If Pac somehow beat Marquez and Bradley before Floyd retires again he already moved his goal post in advanced by demanding Pac should sign up on his promotion and fights a few fights under his promotion. LMAO! Only the idiots like the floydiots will fall into this coward's ploy.

[megadeth]

I'll answer your last couple questions because the others have been argued about many times on this forum with no resolution.

If you would be so kind, I would hope that you would address the first part as well. I took the time to give what I think is a VERY good argument as to why at least the first negotiation faliure should lay at Pac's feet. I would just like you to impartially and logically refute what I said, since u are of the opinion that it was " both" their fault.

No one said that any fighter had to sign with Top Rank to get a Pac fight but those fighters knew it would be easier to negotiate so they did it, they're choice, no one came out and said they had to.

Do you honestly believe this? I am sure even the most ardent Pac fans will tell you that Bradley, JMM, Mosley all had to sign with Top Rank to get a fight w/ Pac. If you think otherwise, your dreaming.

If Floyd really is about business then he should know that Pac is the next biggest fight out there for him money wise. Even with the losses, Pac is still the man many casuals want to see against Mayweather, it's been talked about too much over the last 3 years for it not to be huge. If Pac beats Rios to a pulp you can bet this fight will be massive again.

I agree he should and I'm sure he does. But:

1. Foyd has a massive ego.
2. He hates Arum and doesn' want him to make a dime off of anymore of his fights.
3. I'm sure he is pissed w/ Pac for walking away from the original negotiations( including winning the PR battle which labled Floyd as the the problem), well as not taking the 40 million offer.

I agree w/ everything you're saying. All Pac has to do is KO Rios or beat him decisively and ( wrong or right) the public will be clammering for it again.

You have to admit, Floyd is making Pac jump through an extraordinary number of hoops to fight him. How come he's never requested crazy things from other opponents?

I will admit that, but, I think that is because of their past. He doesn't want anyone compared to him. He wants to recognized as the cash cow and the face of boxing and when people say otherwise, he doesn't feel he is getting the respect he deserves. He need to show everyone, Pac included, that HE is the man. As I said earlier, I am sure he is pissed w/ Pac and wants to show him who is in control now. No one ever said the man is not insecure or an egomaniac. He probably never requested no one take the test, because no one ever did what Pac was doing. Why didn't Pac ever request drug testing before Rios? Wy didn't Tyson ever request extra testing before Holyfield? Were/are they putting up Roadblocks? Does/did he fear him? Same thing applies?

[Bermuda]

it's because rios works with the steroid chemist heredia....

[Weebler I]

it's because rios works with the steroid chemist heredia....

They were intent upon testing for Pacquiao's next fight before Rios was even confirmed as an opponent.

[RockyB]

Why would Manny refuse the biggest fight in history because of a PEDs test , then with all the pressure on him about PEDS all of a sudden he starts losing , then he demands PED tests of his opponents . it allures to the notion that he knows the benefits of PEDS meaning he may have been dirty winning his biggest WW matches .

Just for fun lets say the circumstantial evidence is all right and Manny was really using PEDS , all of a sudden all the confusion becomes crystal clear .

Who really thinks Manny was using PEDS when he refused to be tested in the biggest fight in history , not what you thought back then , what you think now , back then I didn't think so but today Im not so sure .

WHAT? All I can remember from my early days on here is you and Larrys crusades against the terrible ROIDED UP PACMAN... every single day