Mayweather's response to Pacquaio! Who's ducking who again?

[straightleft]

If Pacquiao is smart he would do it.
The guy is coming off 2 losses and 1 by brutal ko.

His value has dropped immensely. Put your pride aside and go get that 1 last big pay day so that you can retire a wealthy man.

What I don't want to see is the great Manny Pacquiao, who has giving us so many classic fights in his career, walking around like and old broke boxer who still has to fight well into his 40's just to make ends meet.

I respect Manny too much to see that.

A quick check, Pac last fight made more profit than Floyd last fight. His losses has nothing to do with it. Floyd makes every road blocks as many as possible to block this fight from happening. Join Pac in his Promotion company and no PPV shares? LMAO!

Pac just wanted to beat Floyd and doesn't need him anyway.

[tangalog2200]

i get your point but you are essentially saying its ok for Bob to do it and not floyd. when Bob does this you dont say he is doing it to block the fight so to imply it's different when floyd as promoter does same is a little biased.

I mean you are acting as if manny/bob still want the fight and floyd's response is unreasonable. Dude come on, manny and koncz are getting in on the tremendous hype the canelo/floyd fight is generating. they are not really asking for a floyd fight. can't you see that?

in theory yes its still a huge fight money wise. but manny has lost 2 fights ina row. The fight doesn't seem as big to mainstream fans as it once was.

I don't know who floyd fights next. But can we at least discuss possible opponents like matts/garcia winner or canelo rematch rather than an HBO contractually signed fighter, a TR signed fighter, or a fighter that hasn't won in a while?

pbf is a fighter...and yes, a promoter

arum is a promoter.....

see the difference?

[ADP02]

Then manny can go on fighting the Rios's of the world. Alvarado next!

Floyd in 2nd biggest fight of past decade. Just broke records! Manny foghtin a low ranked jr ww coming off loss in china.

One moving forward the other moving back.

But dont worry all your tears will go away soon. Sept 14th a new King will be crowned

I will not be getting any of their money so I don't care about breaking records, as you stated.

Previous fight:
Manny's last fight was fight of the year. Floyd's fight against Guerrero was what again?

Canelo fight is being hyped well but I have this funny feeling that Rios vs Manny may end up being a barn burner and do better in terms of it being "fan pleasing".

[ADP02]

I'd bet he got "plenty surprised" at the massive settlement he had to make to settle the legal action against him. I see that possibly having the result that Mayweather became short of money and had to make that Showtime contract.

Yup, it must have left a bad taste in his mouth ....

[ADP02]

To say that Mayweather knew that Pacquiao would walk away from the fight over drug testing is a strong assumption. I would argue that if Mayweather knew that Pacquiao would walk away from the fight over drug testing, then it was because he also knew that Pacquiao was dirty. There would be no other reason to take that gamble. Think about it, there was no need for Mayweather to invent a "roadblock" to avoid the fight when all he had to do is refuse to submit to one of Pacquiao's stipulations, such as the outrageous overweight penalty. The fact that Mayweather agreed to all of Pacquiao's demands and even relented some on his one demand once Pacquiao initially waivered(offering the 14 day cut-off that Pacquiao initially refused) illustrates that he wanted the fight at that time. After then, not do much. Pacquiao should've took the fight back then.

It wasn't just the drug testing but the strong accusations coming from Floyd and his team. It would not look good on anyone but especially if you are pursuing a political career, such as Manny is.

Even before the drug testing, Months before, Floyd was interviewed (in 2009) and stated "Everyone knows that I will not agree to fight Manny with a 50/50 agreement". So he had that already thought thru way beforehand. Floyd fortunately had the drug testing working for him. So he waited for that other roadblock card and used it.


Floyd never wanted to fight Manny. Why do you say "later not so much"? I think it's because it just took longer for you to be convinced than me .... because there is NO REASON to change from wanting it then later not wanting it anymore. Floyd would have made the most money ever with that fight.

Floyd said soon after "I'm going on a long vacation and not wanting to fight Manny...." It's obvious once you look back except for some Floyd fans.

[MayMosPeaHop]

All this back and forth. Bob Arum did not want the fight and that is why the fight was never made. As long as Manny is affiliated with Arum, the fight is never going to happen. Bob did not believe Manny could win. Let me say it again. BOB DID NOT BELIEVE MANNY COULD WIN. If Bob thought Manny could win, then he would have made the fight. You do not walk away from 50/50 and a 14 day cut off to fight Clottey if you believe your fighter can win. It is smart business not to take that risk. And I agree with Bob. How much money did he make by not matching Manny with Floyd? How popular is Manny if he loses to Floyd? Arum did not think Manny could win. It is that simple.

[Goldie]

It wasn't just the drug testing but the strong accusations coming from Floyd and his team. It would not look good on anyone but especially if you are pursuing a political career, such as Manny is.

Sorry but this doesn't fly. Pacquiao ducking the stricter testing only gave credence to the PED su****ions. The decision to duck the tests was a terrible look. Then again, he probably was dirty as being caught while dirty would've been an even worse look.

Even before the drug testing, Months before, Floyd was interviewed (in 2009) and stated "Everyone knows that I will not agree to fight Manny with a 50/50 agreement". So he had that already thought thru way beforehand. Floyd fortunately had the drug testing working for him. So he waited for that other roadblock card and used it.

You're lying. Mayweather agreed to a 50-50 split and all of Pacquiao's other demands despite what he may or may have not said in the media prior to the official 2009 negotiations. Team Pacquiao initially said that they would agree with Mayweather's drug testing request, there's even video footage of Roach saying that they would have no problems complying with the testing. Team Pacquiao reniged on that promise once everything else was agreed upon.

Floyd never wanted to fight Manny. Why do you say "later not so much"? I think it's because it just took longer for you to be convinced than me .... because there is NO REASON to change from wanting it then later not wanting it anymore. Floyd would have made the most money ever with that fight.

again, everything was agreed upon in 2009 until Team Pacquiao reniged on their promise to comply with the random blood/urine tests. Not only did Mayweater agree to all of Pacquaio's demands, he compromised on the testing and offered Pacquiao a 14-day cut off in order to make the fight. If Mayweather was looking for a "roadblock" like you're claiming then he didn't have to bet on Team Pacquiao walking away because of testing after initially claiming that they would agree. Mayweather could've simply used the outrageous weight penalty that Pacquiao requested if he wanted an excuse to walk away from Pacquiao. You ignore that point because it destroys your argument. Mayweather wanted the fight in 2009. After the negotiations in 2009 fell through it seems as if Mayweather decided that he wasn't going to go out of his way again in effort to make the fight. You say that there is no reason for Floyd to have changed his mind but you're discounting the man's ego. In his mind he doesn't need Arum/Pacquiao, whether it be for his legacy or bank account. Mayweather feels as if he is the top dog, king of the hill, and he's not willing to give in to Arum/Pacquiao in the slightest.

[ADP02]

Sorry but this doesn't fly. Pacquiao ducking the stricter testing only gave credence to the PED su****ions. The decision to duck the tests was a terrible look. Then again, he probably was dirty as being caught while dirty would've been an even worse look.

You're lying. Mayweather agreed to a 50-50 split and all of Pacquiao's other demands despite what he may or may have not said in the media prior to the official 2009 negotiations. Team Pacquiao initially said that they would agree with Mayweather's drug testing request, there's even video footage of Roach saying that they would have no problems complying with the testing. Team Pacquiao reniged on that promise once everything else was agreed upon.

again, everything was agreed upon in 2009 until Team Pacquiao reniged on their promise to comply with the random blood/urine tests. Not only did Mayweater agree to all of Pacquaio's demands, he compromised on the testing and offered Pacquiao a 14-day cut off in order to make the fight. If Mayweather was looking for a "roadblock" like you're claiming then he didn't have to bet on Team Pacquiao walking away because of testing after initially claiming that they would agree. Mayweather could've simply used the outrageous weight penalty that Pacquiao requested if he wanted an excuse to walk away from Pacquiao. You ignore that point because it destroys your argument. Mayweather wanted the fight in 2009. After the negotiations in 2009 fell through it seems as if Mayweather decided that he wasn't going to go out of his way again in effort to make the fight. You say that there is no reason for Floyd to have changed his mind but you're discounting the man's ego. In his mind he doesn't need Arum/Pacquiao, whether it be for his legacy or bank account. Mayweather feels as if he is the top dog, king of the hill, and he's not willing to give in to Arum/Pacquiao in the slightest.

Manny was OK with extra testing but just didn't want to do exactly what Floyd requested. Then he gave into exactly what Floyd requested but by that time, Floyd moved on to the next roadblock. So that kinda negates your point of him being dirty and if you say he got off it then he could have done that initially too ...

anyhow, Manny kept on taking one step forward throughout the process while Floyd was taking 1 or 2 steps backwards to the point that it was obvious that Manny couldn't agree to the crazy roadblocks put in place by Floyd. If Floyd had just one roadblock, I would and actually DID give him the benefit of the doubt but then it got ridiculous.

What? What Floyd said to the media is all we have! Yes, during negotiation #1 it was 50/50 but he had that "no 50/50" card waiting in case the Manny agreed on drug testing. You say "not possible". Well, that is what happened. It was just as crazy to bring it up 3 years later, out of the blue, as it would have been earlier on.

Floyd really wanted the fight? Really?
If Floyd really wanted the fight, he could have just as easily compromised and agreed to Manny's cutoff date as that was already more than what was required. That is if Floyd really wanted it. You know, just like Manny kept on agreeing with Floyd but Floyd kept on putting new roadblocks. If Manny would not have accepted with Floyd saying yes to Manny's cutoff dates then I can see your point but that was not the case.

Just ask yourself, who kept on putting roadblocks and still continues to and you will find your answer ===> Floyd didn't want it!!!

[Daddy T]

floyd is such an a$$hole

[Goldie]

Manny was OK with extra testing but just didn't want to do exactly what Floyd requested. Then he gave into exactly what Floyd requested but by that time, Floyd moved on to the next roadblock. So that kinda negates your point of him being dirty and if you say he got off it then he could have done that initially too ...

The whole "Manny just didn't want to do what Floyd requested" BS is a weak excuse man. Mayweather had already agreed to the split Pacquiao wanted, the $10 million weight penalty, glove size, ect. Even if you believe that Pacquiao refused the testing because he was being a diva, then you can't argue that be really wanted the fight. Regardless of what excuse you believe in, not 1 justifies him walking away from the fight in 2009 to fight Clottey. Him claiming that he would agree to the testing after walking away in 2009 doesn't mean anything. We've seen them lie to the media, they're words mean nothing. He had a chance to make the fight in 2009 and walked away because according to you, he was acting like a diva.

anyhow, Manny kept on taking one step forward throughout the process while Floyd was taking 1 or 2 steps backwards to the point that it was obvious that Manny couldn't agree to the crazy roadblocks put in place by Floyd. If Floyd had just one roadblock, I would and actually DID give him the benefit of the doubt but then it got ridiculous.

The process ended as far as Mayweather was concerned in 2009, that's what you don't get. Mayweather hasn't really taken the Pacquiao fight seriously after Pacquiao walked away in 2009. Neither have Arum and Pacquiao. That's the thing, both sides have been using the hype of their potential matchup to further their own careers with little or no intent of actually making the fight. Arum/Pacquiao have been perfectly fine matching Pacquiao up against in-house fighters. They haven't gone out of their way to make the fight either. Your Pacquiao bias prevents you from seeing this. Arum want no parts of Mayweather and Pacquiao is cool doing whatever Arum says.

What? What Floyd said to the media is all we have! Yes, during negotiation #1 it was 50/50 but he had that "no 50/50" card waiting in case the Manny agreed on drug testing. You say "not possible". Well, that is what happened. It was just as crazy to bring it up 3 years later, out of the blue, as it would have been earlier on.

No, what Floyd may or may not have said to the media outside of the official negotiating room is not all we have. We also have Arum himself saying that the 50-50 split Along with all the issues except the drug testing were agreed upon. Remember, after Arum and Floyd agreed on the purse split and everything else, Arum supposedly flew to Manilla to finalize the deal with Pacquiao. When Arum came back that's when all the BS started from Pacquiao's team that led to them eventually walking away from the fight. What you're saying makes no sense. You're not psychic. You claiming that Mayweather would have reniged on something that he agreed upon means nothing. Tw reality is that Pacquiao is the one who reniged, not Mayweather.

Floyd really wanted the fight? Really?
If Floyd really wanted the fight, he could have just as easily compromised and agreed to Manny's cutoff date as that was already more than what was required. That is if Floyd really wanted it. You know, just like Manny kept on agreeing with Floyd but Floyd kept on putting new roadblocks. If Manny would not have accepted with Floyd saying yes to Manny's cutoff dates then I can see your point but that was not the case.

Again, you're being nonsensical. What part of "Pacquiao's team initially claimed that they had no problem with the stricter testing" don't you understand? Floyd agreed to all of Paxquiao's demands only to have Pacquiao BS him on his 1 demand even after Floyd compromised. Yes, Floyd wante the fight back in 2009 while Arum/Pacquiao didn't. After the 2009 negotiations feel through, Mayweather told the world that everything was off of the table as far as what they were willing to agree to. You're trying to give Arum/Pacquiao credit for publicly agreeing to terms that they heard Floyd say were off of the table. Arum manipulated you man, he knew exactly what he was doing. He had no intention of ever putting Pacquiao in the ring with Floyd. Wake up as smell the coffee.

Just ask yourself, who kept on putting roadblocks and still continues to and you will find your answer ===> Floyd didn't want it!!!

You keep talking about roadblocks as if either side is seriously trying to make the fight. They aren't negotiating a fight with each other so how can there be roadblocks? The only time that there was any kind of serious negotiation was in 2009 and all of the roadblocks were created by Arum and Pacquiao. Floyd hasn't taken Arum/Pacquiao seriously since 2009. Everything said in the media since late 2009 by both sides has been for PR purposes. Mayweather's not looking to make that fight unless Pacquiao is willing to crawl to him.