If the Klitschkos were two brothers from Detroit or Philadelphia...

[LacedUp]

Well, they usually go in tandem.

Come on, who is Wlad 'cherry-picking'? Is he a 'ducker' or 'cherry picker' because he won't rematch Davey boy?

I haven't said he ducks David Haye? Why would he? He beat him with ease last time. It's not about David Haye, but let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Wlad wins his first world title against Chris Byrd in a thrilling (no just kidding) 12 round fight in 2000. Who is his first defense against? The sublime Derrick Jefferson who was KOd in 2/3 of his last fights. As if that wasn't bad enough, he goes on to defend it against Shufford who had fought like 20 journeymen in his career and even come up short in one of them. He then fights a couple of has-beens or never was (call them what you want) and loses.

Going further, having won a couple of titles again and taking care of his mandatory TT, who does he fight? Hasim Rahman! Six losses, 2 draws. Then he goes on the best run of his career, taking care of a rematch with Peter, winning over Chambers, Chagaev and Haye before going on a bum-of-the-month run against Mormeck, TT, Wach and Pianeta.

And people say Audley Harrison was a bad opponent....

[beez721]

I haven't said he ducks David Haye? Why would he? He beat him with ease last time. It's not about David Haye, but let's take a trip down memory lane, shall we?

Wlad wins his first world title against Chris Byrd in a thrilling (no just kidding) 12 round fight in 2000. Who is his first defense against? The sublime Derrick Jefferson who was KOd in 2/3 of his last fights. As if that wasn't bad enough, he goes on to defend it against Shufford who had fought like 20 journeymen in his career and even come up short in one of them. He then fights a couple of has-beens or never was (call them what you want) and loses.

Going further, having won a couple of titles again and taking care of his mandatory TT, who does he fight? Hasim Rahman! Six losses, 2 draws. Then he goes on the best run of his career, taking care of a rematch with Peter, winning over Chambers, Chagaev and Haye before going on a bum-of-the-month run against Mormeck, TT, Wach and Pianeta.

And people say Audley Harrison was a bad opponent....

well,,,thats not entriely his fault since many of the top guys turned down fights with him. he only fought rahman becuz povetkin pussed out on him

[LacedUp]

well,,,thats not entriely his fault since many of the top guys turned down fights with him. he only fought rahman becuz povetkin pussed out on him

Right. So when Wlad cherry-picks it's because people are ducking him, but when others do it, it's because they are ducking. Good logic.

[sugarsmosley]

If two of the best heavyweights in the world were american = American boxing fans would be happy.

That doesn't mean the heavyweight division immediately becomes exciting and competitive.

[Weltschmerz]

Right. So when Wlad cherry-picks it's because people are ducking him, but when others do it, it's because they are ducking. Good logic.

Wlad never cherry picks. He fights anyone available.

[Weltschmerz]

If two of the best heavyweights in the world were american = American boxing fans would be happy.

That doesn't mean the heavyweight division immediately becomes exciting and competitive.

Nope, but it means the Klitschko's would generally be praised to a higher degree than they are.

[LacedUp]

Wlad never cherry picks. He fights anyone available.

lol that's the most ****** post i've seen from you. But I know you like to get down and dirty with Wlad.

[ßringer]

Nope, but it means the Klitschko's would generally be praised to a higher degree than they are.

I seriously doubt it. In my experience, most people don't dislike the Klits - They dislike the division. Vitali and Wlad have done the best they can with the division they inherited. Unfortunately for them, it's a very forgettable era.

[sugarsmosley]

Nope, but it means the Klitschko's would generally be praised to a higher degree than they are.

Fair enough. Most would say they are without question the best heavyweights NOW, and that seems like high praise to me. but what gets people going is when someone says Wlad or Vitali is the GOAT.

[beez721]

Right. So when Wlad cherry-picks it's because people are ducking him, but when others do it, it's because they are ducking. Good logic.

what others? you lost me on that one. wlad does not cherry pick his opponents. he fights the best available guys. its not his fault most of them suck and yes the best guys have ducked him