If the Klitschkos were two brothers from Detroit or Philadelphia...

[Weltschmerz]

TT only looks better now because he beat Price twice. I was at TT-Wlad II and I got my ticket for free. That's how excited people were for that fight. I was visiting a mate, and tbh I had completely forgotten that Wlad was even fighting. He wasn't a bum the first time they fought, but he had no business in there with Wlad the second time. I know he was mandatory, so I will go easy on Wlad for that fight and I know he didn't really want the fight so..

With regards to the last, his resume could have been improved immensely! The guy had a golden ticket coming off the olympics, but waited for everyone to be fat and old before fighting anyone with a pulse. His resume would have been better had he not fought his last four fights. That's how much they stink.

And also, for someone supposedly "great" he's come out with a stinker on everyone of his biggest night. Haye, Ibragimov, Sanders, Byrd I. All incredibly boring fights.

What a ****** you are. Every fighter needs their share of lesser opposition before taking on bigger names and fight for titles.

His resume would have been better had he not fought his last four fight' ... lol, what kind of logic is that? Wlad is fighting Povetkin next and will have plenty of good fight ahead of him after that, which will enhance his resume. Lots of young guns to take on, who's not 'fat and old'.

And as for Wlad coming out with stinkers... He was actually pressing the action for 12 rounds vs Haye, who was flopping around on the canvas and looking like a coward.

[shade darkar]

What a ****** you are. Every fighter needs their share of lesser opposition before taking on bigger names and fight for titles.

His resume would have been better had he not fought his last four fight' ... lol, what kind of logic is that? Wlad is fighting Povetkin next and will have plenty of good fight ahead of him after that, which will enhance his resume. Lots of young guns to take on, who's not 'fat and old'.

And as for Wlad coming out with stinkers... He was actually pressing the action for 12 rounds vs Haye, who was flopping around on the canvas and looking like a coward.

what are these good fights? because i can only think of 1, and thats against his brother which they wont do so..... yeah i dont see any good fights on the horizon.

[Simurgh]

what are these good fights? because i can only think of 1, and thats against his brother which they wont do so..... yeah i dont see any good fights on the horizon.

If Fury beats Haye, that's the mega fight against Wlad. If Haye beats Fury in great fashion and then keep the activity level, the Wlad rematch is a very interesting prospect.

New guys like Wilder are in mix too in year or two. Pulev is a very solid fight too.

[beez721]

No, they were the best available for the price. If they would start paying opponents more than £100.000 then they could perhaps get more than pinata.

It's just incredibly ironic to hear Klitschko fans say Floyd is a cherry-picker when each of his opponents have achieved a helluva lot more than pretty much any Klitschko opponent in the last 5 years.

I never accused mayweather of cherry picking. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I don't think either mayweather or wlad cherry pick

[bklynboy]

And like I said people ain't caring cause it's not someone they love is dominating. Race/nationality, you name it. Look at people going buck wild with America's dominance in basketball. Oh 50+ point wins and them mofos still stuck to the tv.

The only time people cared about that was 1992 when the professionals finally hit the scene. Before then it was amateurs v professionals and people (Americans) were saying let's see professionals v professionals. After '92 the point was made and nobody (outside of the media trying to hype the games cared in the same way.)

[bklynboy]

The Klitschkos are as dominant on top as any other champion in history. I really hate to say this, and I don't think it's something proper to Americans or America, as we're all like that, where ever we come from, but if they were Americans, they would be humongous! As a few of you said, they would probably be considered amongst the best ever. America exercises a great cultural influence over the world, and although there's amazingly successful boxing in other countries, the big big scene is in America, of course. So you would wish for such great fighters to be recognized to their proper value.
Is the actual Heavyweight division historically bad or talentless? I really don't think it has been during all of the Klitschkos's reign. I think that in other eras, several of the fighters they've beaten could have become great heavyweights. But for them as for any other era of a dominant champion, the division looks poor simply because the dominance is so great you don't get to build enthousiasm for any other heavyweight. Think about Ali's first reign, especially at the end. Think of Louis' "bum of the month" club. Think of how bloodless the division seemed before Tyson was upset by Douglas.
As to style, maybe it has some impact, although once again, as some have said wisely, some popular American champions were not exactly exciting, the Klitschkos are incredible ko artists; that's always popular. Vitaly has one of the greatest ko record ever, 41 over 45 victories, and Wladimir has won 15 of his last 18 victories by ko over the last 9 years!
Were they Americans, they'd already be celebrated in books and films for the world to see...

Yes. Louis and Ali both fought decent, run of the mill fighters in the league of Arreola, Samuel Peter. (Their bums of the month.) But Louis and Ali defeated some very good fighters coming up and in their championship reign. The only TOP 30 fighter faced by either Klitschko was Lennox Lewis. (a TOP 10)

Joe Louis fought Max Baer, Schmelling(2), Sharkey as well as TOP 10 lightheavys/heavyweight (think Evander Holyfield/Roy Jones moving up in weight) Jersey Joe Walcott (2), Billy Conn (2) and Ezzard Charles.

Ali beat Sonny Liston (TOP 15 arguably TOP 10), Floyd Patterson (TOP 30 arguably TOP 15), Joe Frazier (TOP 15), George Foreman (TOP 10), Ken Norton (TOP 30) and many fighters far better than anyone either K faced except for Lennox Lewis (Ron Lyle, Ernie Shavers, Bob Foster, Jerry Quarry).

[LacedUp]

Regardless which version of TT we are talking about he is not a bum. Even in the second fight it wasn't all that easy for Wlad. TT actually won the first round and was relatively competitive till 5th.

Wlad turned pro when he was 20. He fought very often in his early career. Coming to Purity fight he fought 24 fights in less than 2 years...

He needed time to develop. He wasn't ready for Holyfield, Tyson or Lennox at the time. Lennox turned pro when he was 24. Wlad already won his first belt when he was 24. But he needed time.. On the way he beat some excellent and some decent fighters - Mercer, Byrd, Barret, Botha.

By the time he recovered and reestablished himself after Brewster loss, Tyson and Lennox were gone and Holyfiled was way way past his prime. We can't say Wlad should have fought those fighters in the early stage of his career when he wasn't one quarter of the fighter he is today.

The characterization of the boring fight is subjective thing.
How is Sanders a 'boring fight'

His fights with Mercer, Peter, Byrd II, TT I were very exciting IMO.

Yeah so Purrity was a journeyman and Wlad still lost. Doesn't matter what age you are when you turn Pro, Price turned pro later than Lennox and he still came up short. Fact is that Wlad didn't start fighting ranked guys before 5 years into his Pro career.

lol at mentioning Mercer, Botha and Barrett. Two were glorified journeymen without a single good win on their record and Mercer had his prime ten years before fighting Wlad. Not exactly great wins were they?

Why can't we? He's not a quarter of the fighter he is today? Of course he isn't! Because now he's fighting bum after bum. He would be **** if he wasn't completely superior to everyone he's ever fought since the age of 25. And when he's finally stepped it up, he's looked like **** as he did against Haye, Ibragimov, Byrd and Sanders.

Sanders wasn't a boring fight as per se, because he got KTFO but it was a shock to the boxing world at the time.

And you are the first one i've ever heard say that Wlad-TT I was entertaining. It clearly wasn't.

But maybe they could have a legendary trilogy?

What a ****** you are. Every fighter needs their share of lesser opposition before taking on bigger names and fight for titles.

His resume would have been better had he not fought his last four fight' ... lol, what kind of logic is that? Wlad is fighting Povetkin next and will have plenty of good fight ahead of him after that, which will enhance his resume. Lots of young guns to take on, who's not 'fat and old'.

And as for Wlad coming out with stinkers... He was actually pressing the action for 12 rounds vs Haye, who was flopping around on the canvas and looking like a coward.

Between you and I, I am the ******.

That's the funniest thing you ever said alt.

[LacedUp]

I never accused mayweather of cherry picking. Who knows what goes on behind closed doors. I don't think either mayweather or wlad cherry pick

You might not have, but my post was in reply to Yoz claiming Floyd was a cherry-picker.

[yoz]

What a ****** you are. Every fighter needs their share of lesser opposition before taking on bigger names and fight for titles.

His resume would have been better had he not fought his last four fight' ... lol, what kind of logic is that? Wlad is fighting Povetkin next and will have plenty of good fight ahead of him after that, which will enhance his resume. Lots of young guns to take on, who's not 'fat and old'.

And as for Wlad coming out with stinkers... He was actually pressing the action for 12 rounds vs Haye, who was flopping around on the canvas and looking like a coward.

This ^^^^^.

@LacedUp Would you prefer Wladimir took a year out between fights? He likes to keep busy and, as a boxing fan, I respect that. He's in a league of his own: that's what really bothers you, isn't it?

[Madjab]

theyd probably fight eachother lol