Has anyone ever done more long term damage to boxing than Wladimir Klitshcko?

[Jack Napier]

Wlad's not doing damage to anyone but his opponents
all he can do is beat who's there, and he's doing that
at this point, even his big brother would lose if they fought
Wlad is in a class of his own right now
he's gonna retire as the champ, and HW will be a lot worse then too

[Spray_resistant]

I don't see what more anyone can ask of him, be the best in the world and beat every top available opponent usually in dominant fashion.

[LacedUp]

I go for who is the best ever if you did a fantasy match up, that is the only true legitimate way you can do it.

The facts are that Ali, barring reach, was the exact same frame as Haye says it all to me.

Wladimor is the bet ever, that's my opinion, ive given stats and facts behind my reasoning. No ned to get personal. You disagree then fine. But its not a "rubbish post"

What? Mate, that's not how you determine the greatest of all times. I really don't want to get into this now, and btw Wlad has been whooped three times, KOd clean. Can you imagine big George giving him a right cross? Wlad would sleep for days. It wasn't meant to be personal, but it was indeed rubbish. Facts and figures is not what makes anyone great, because you can take virtually anyone on Wlad's resume and virtually anyone of the past great champs would beat them in similar fashion.

Who has Wlad beaten that makes him great? Because I could fight guys 4-5 inches shorter than me and 20 pounds lighter too. I'd probably win my fair share of fights that way also.

[Szef]

Hehe..

I don't think he will surpass Ali, Louis, Lewis, Foreman, Holmes, Johnson, Liston, Dempsey and maybe Frazier. But if you do, then all the power to you. I just doubt many historians will put him in top 5 but I'm sure he'll get a mention when it comes to top 10 - but it's def not a guaranteed spot.

Johnson, Liston, Dempsey? He's already more accomplished than those guys.

[LacedUp]

Johnson, Liston, Dempsey? He's already more accomplished than those guys.

Maybe Liston not dempsey, but they did something he never did - beat the champion. Johnson is beyond Wlad's reach.

[HarvardBlue]

I don't know if he damaged boxing. He could have fought more outside of Germany. The heavyweight division hasn't been good for about 10 years now. If Wladimir is a top 5 heavyweight there should be an asterisk for the lack of competition during his championship reign. I'm more a fan of Vitali because at least he went up against Lewis, among other things. Other than Haye (who started out as a cruiserweight) Wladimir hasn't beaten anyone that will be remembered as anything special.

[Szef]

Maybe Liston not dempsey, but they did something he never did - beat the champion. Johnson is beyond Wlad's reach.

Yeah because he IS the champion. And yeah he surpassed those guys. Deal with it.

[SN!PER]

No one has ever done more long term damage... to Samuel Peter.

[Chuckguy]

I thought he meant long term damage from the punches they land.

[LoadedWraps]

No one has ever done more long term damage... to Samuel Peter.

Great post.