Has anyone ever done more long term damage to boxing than Wladimir Klitshcko?

[Jcsuper]

He lost those fights, but came back and now hes been near enough invicible for 9 years. The Brewster rematch showed that.

Manny pac lost 2/3 fights before Hatton, cotto fight.

Ali lost, Lewis lost to rahman and Oliver macall.

That's Heavy weight boxing mate, Facts are Wladimir is fighting guys who are Far more Athletic than they were in Alis and Holmes period.

Put it in perpective, Ali got floored by henry cooper who was under 200 pounds and 6ft.

If you morphed Cooper to fight Wladimir now it would make Haye Wlad, or Mormeck Wlad look like a fair fight in comparison.

Face it, The 3 best heavyweights ever in actual terms is 1. WLAD 2 Vital 3 Lennox Lewis.

Those 3 guys would destroy everyone.

[LacedUp]

Did he?

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Longest_reigning_heavyweight_champions

I don't need a wiki geek to tell me something I know with 100% certainty. Before he fought Chagaev, he was basically another Sultan Ibragimov.

He was young then and fought like David Price (i.e. an idiot - throwing too many punches, poor shot selection, questionable conditioning...).

You'll miss Wladimir when he's gone.

We'll see. I'm not totally dismissing that actually. I can totally appreciate him being an extremely accomplished fighter. But best of all times? Come on.

[LoadedWraps]

no, why you ask mate?

Maybe because the list you made that he highlighted would only be made by a troll, someone with zero knowledge of the sport, or someone severely drunk.

[LacedUp]

He lost those fights, but came back and now hes been near enough invicible for 9 years. The Brewster rematch showed that.

Manny pac lost 2/3 fights before Hatton, cotto fight.

Ali lost, Lewis lost to rahman and Oliver macall.

That's Heavy weight boxing mate, Facts are Wladimir is fighting guys who are Far more Athletic than they were in Alis and Holmes period.

Put it in perpective, Ali got floored by henry cooper who was under 200 pounds and 6ft.

If you morphed Cooper to fight Wladimir now it would make Haye Wlad, or Mormeck Wlad look like a fair fight in comparison.

Face it, The 3 best heavyweights ever in actual terms is 1. WLAD 2 Vital 3 Lennox Lewis.

Those 3 guys would destroy everyone.

Wow that's quite easily the most ****** post I've ever seen.

And btw, you are talking H2H greatest. That's completely different. And I don't see how the guys Wlad and Vitali are fighting are more athletic. For example, was Briggs more Athletic in 2010 than he was in '97? I don't think so. Was Rahman more athletic in 07 than he was in '01? I don't think so? Was Arreola athletic? Ever? No. Charr, Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Rahman, Briggs, Sosnowski, Johnson, Peter all ****** more than is possible. Believe that.

[yoz]

Wow that's quite easily the most ****** post I've ever seen.

And btw, you are talking H2H greatest. That's completely different. And I don't see how the guys Wlad and Vitali are fighting are more athletic. For example, was Briggs more Athletic in 2010 than he was in '97? I don't think so. Was Rahman more athletic in 07 than he was in '01? I don't think so? Was Arreola athletic? Ever? No. Charr, Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Rahman, Briggs, Sosnowski, Johnson, Peter all ****** more than is possible. Believe that.

Sam Peter would have stopped Haye...





O/J

[Simurgh]

I was high when I wrote this. (Actually I just copy and pasted from ESB)

Wladimir is a great champion.

Last time you were drunk, and before that it was your brother/friend on your account.

I see what you are doing here. good one...

[Szef]

I don't need a wiki geek to tell me something I know with 100% certainty. Before he fought Chagaev, he was basically another Sultan Ibragimov.



We'll see. I'm not totally dismissing that actually. I can totally appreciate him being an extremely accomplished fighter. But bes of all times? Come on.

Yes
Facts don't lie, mate. And no, he's not goat, but in 3 years when he'll hang em up he will be Top 5. Longevity, dominance. In not so many words: Champion

[Simurgh]

Yes
Facts don't lie, mate. And no, he's not goat, but in 3 years when he'll hang em up he will be Top 5. Longevity, dominance. In not so many words: Champion

This ^

[slimshandy69]

Wow that's quite easily the most ****** post I've ever seen.

And btw, you are talking H2H greatest. That's completely different. And I don't see how the guys Wlad and Vitali are fighting are more athletic. For example, was Briggs more Athletic in 2010 than he was in '97? I don't think so. Was Rahman more athletic in 07 than he was in '01? I don't think so? Was Arreola athletic? Ever? No. Charr, Mormeck, Wach, Pianeta, Rahman, Briggs, Sosnowski, Johnson, Peter all ****** more than is possible. Believe that.

I go for who is the best ever if you did a fantasy match up, that is the only true legitimate way you can do it.

The facts are that Ali, barring reach, was the exact same frame as Haye says it all to me.

Wladimor is the bet ever, that's my opinion, ive given stats and facts behind my reasoning. No ned to get personal. You disagree then fine. But its not a "rubbish post"

[LacedUp]

Sam Peter would have stopped Haye...





O/J

Hehe..

Yes
Facts don't lie, mate. And no, he's not goat, but in 3 years when he'll hang em up he will be Top 5. Longevity, dominance. In not so many words: Champion

I don't think he will surpass Ali, Louis, Lewis, Foreman, Holmes, Johnson, Liston, Dempsey and maybe Frazier. But if you do, then all the power to you. I just doubt many historians will put him in top 5 but I'm sure he'll get a mention when it comes to top 10 - but it's def not a guaranteed spot.