Al Bernstein: "Lennox Lewis Is The Greatest Heavyweight Of All Time"

[IronDanHamza]

To be fair to him, a lot of people like George Foreman was claiming he was the greatest after Holyfield and Tyson.

But I agree that the klit era has elevated his esteem.

Name them, please.

[Nanaki]

Wow guys....

First, Lennox as it is is the GOAT.

Next, since we are going in to particulars h2h, prime v prime, I'll break this down.

The Klit brothers don't even make the top 10, and if you think they do you are illogical. They have great records and for their era, which is arguable one of the weakest in HW history, they are amazing, but that is the extent. I mean come on they both have been around since the mid 90's and never accomplished **** until the 90's were over and mostly everyone worth a **** had faded away... They both fought Chris Bryd as their first "major competition" wow impressive... So as it stands Vitali's first 27 fights were bums, and Wlad's first 34 fights (unless you count Purity) were bums. And, after Bryd (who was lackluster) there were more bums... Sounds to me like a prime example of the new era's padded records. Plenty of guys from the 90's would have got inside wlad's jab, jab, right bull**** and let him have it...

As far as H2H goes that crown goes to prime Tyson.

Louis would have fell right into Tyson's style ****** 10 count. (And, Louis is my hometown hero and a favorite of mine.)

Ali, well he lost to Frazier arguable twice. He would have tried to fight Tyson the same way, except Tyson was stronger, quicker, and a hell of a lot more elusive. This would go a lot like the Tillis fight only Tyson wouldn't have purposely went the distance because he was told to do so.

Frazier would have came in on Tyson like his son did ****** 10 count same as his son.

Foreman would have been a challenge, but I think Tyson's prime speed would have got him.

Lennox beats Tyson mid 90's (Holyfield v Tyson era). Lennox killed Tyson in the 00's. But the first coming of Tyson would have destroyed early Lennox.

Liston, Marciano, Dempsy, Johnson, any of those guys who would have just walked up and tried to fight with Tyson would have lost.

When you are tying to make a point head to head you have to think about how those people would have fought each other. Not just what there records looked like, or how they looked in one fight.

I have no doubt in my mind that if Cus and Jacobs hadn't died, nobody would be arguing about Tyson being GOAT period.

As it is though that honor goes to Lewis. He was indeed like fine wine he only got better with age. With Manny he was untouchable.

To be honest though we should just agree Emanuel Stewart is/was/forever will be the GOAT.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

The difference between Ali and Lewis is not only comp, but when Ali had a bad night, he still didn't get ktfo. Lewis did get ktfo. Twice!

lets cut the bull............someone who got ko'd twice by under achievers is no where near the level of ali..............it's a joke.

I'm not saying he's greater than Ali but all this **** about getting KO'D is quite funny when you consider Ali was virtually KTFO by Henry Cooper. Lewis didn't get smelling salts and 80 days in the corner to recover. Anyone can get KO'd. It's not what makes him greater than Lewis.

[Godsfly]

I'm not saying he's greater than Ali but all this **** about getting KO'D is quite funny when you consider Ali was virtually KTFO by Henry Cooper. Lewis didn't get smelling salts and 80 days in the corner to recover. Anyone can get KO'd. It's not what makes him greater than Lewis.

"Ali was virtually KTFO by Henry Cooper"

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA since when? since boxingscene nerds?

actually watch the fight.........a knock down doesn't = a knock out. when lewis was knocked out he couldn't even stand up anymore.......... you're comparing someone getting knocked out to getting knocked down (thats saying it all) lewis was put to sleep multiple times.............in the 2nd hollyfield fight i thought he lost..........i thought he won the 1st and lost the 2nd (oddly enough the 1st was much closer on the judges score cards vs the 2nd) and i thought the mercer fight was damn near a toss up..........(after a very old holmes had already out boxed a much younger version of mercer)

again..............joke.

[Dirk Diggler UK]

"Ali was virtually KTFO by Henry Cooper"

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA since when? since boxingscene nerds?

actually watch the fight.........a knock down doesn't = a knock out. when lewis was knocked out he couldn't even stand up anymore

Lewis finished the McCall fight on his feet. Pretty premature stoppage for a World title fight. He was clearly out of shape for the first Rahman fight.

Ali was dropped hard by Henry Cooper who was no more than a Euro level fighter. And like I said, what went on in his corner immediately following that was highly questionable.

[realheavyhands]

I disaree with this.. I take prime Liston and tyson over lennox.. also would take Ali and prime foreman.. I would also take prime roy jones the one that fought ruiz.. also ray mercer beat lennox in my opinion .. and lennox was stretched by hasim rachman and the mechanical bull

[bklynboy]

"Ali was virtually KTFO by Henry Cooper"

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHA since when? since boxingscene nerds?

actually watch the fight.........a knock down doesn't = a knock out. when lewis was knocked out he couldn't even stand up anymore.......... you're comparing someone getting knocked out to getting knocked down (thats saying it all) lewis was put to sleep multiple times.............in the 2nd hollyfield fight i thought he lost..........i thought he won the 1st and lost the 2nd (oddly enough the 1st was much closer on the judges score cards vs the 2nd) and i thought the mercer fight was damn near a toss up..........(after a very old holmes had already out boxed a much younger version of mercer)

again..............joke.

That's because people are believe that the "split-glove" controversy bought Ali (Clay) some time against Cooper when in fact all it did was add 6 seconds to the time between rounds. I don't think the 6 seconds made a difference in the fight.

[Godsfly]

Lewis finished the McCall fight on his feet. Pretty premature stoppage for a World title fight. He was clearly out of shape for the first Rahman fight.

Ali was dropped hard by Henry Cooper who was no more than a Euro level fighter. And like I said, what went on in his corner immediately following that was highly questionable.

first thing.........ali was up at the count of 3 (go back and actually watch the video and stop listening to what nerds have told you on here. they have flat out lied to you) and if w'ere talking about the so called "glove controversy" there was none..........it lasted for about 4 seconds if that. another joke.............ali went back out and proceeded to detach coopers eye ball from his face.

if you look at lewis against mccall you can see that his legs was gone (the ref had to hold him up because he was stumbling everywhere) ........thats why the ref stopped it. and in the rahman fight he got ko'd again.........

[dan_cov]

Lennox received a hugely disputed decision against Mercer who offered to fight him again for free and give his whole purse to charity.
Why did Lewis not rematch him?

Why did he wait 3 years to rematch McCall only once he was on a drug rehabilitation programme?

Never fought a single southpaw.

Tyson was shot to pieces, so was Tucker who was another recovering drug addict, Morrison was ill. Holyfield x2 was a shell of his former self after fighting Bowe x3, Tyson x2 & struggling with the likes of Vaughn Bean

One punch K.Od by a Tyson sparring partner, one punch K.Od by Rahman.

Promised a rematch to Vitali on national TV, turned down career high purse and ran into retirement.

Greatest HW ever Good names on his resume but most was well past it & lets be fair the same people who big up Briggs, Grant etc because they was undefeated or whatever are the same who downplay say Wlads wins over guys like Brock, Chagaev etc despite the above only having one win worth absolutely anything & that was a disputed win over a 50yr old, fat Foreman.

[LacedUp]

Name them, please.

Go through the thread, they've already been mentioned and videos have been put up. Please.