If there's no fifth can we say JMM is ducking Manny

[HeroBando]

JMM doesn't need to give Pacquiao a 5th fight. The 4th fight bit Arum in the ass, he wanted to milk Pacquiao more thinking a 4th JMM fight would be simple and next thing you know Pacquiao was face first on the mat.

He doesn't need it unless he wants 2x his career payday, for an opponent he's got all figured out. some boxers would give up their pinky toe for that, few would pass

[John Barron]

From what I've seen, it's an extension of Floyd's jealousy of the acclaim Pac has gotten, for example the "FOTDecade" (thanks Ronnie!) business. Lets not sweat the details, lets call it "bias", a catchall term. Might your scoring be influenced by bias if it's in far fringe minority (in a predicatable way lol), when compared to press row cards?

everyone has bias. yes i do hate ******ed fans and have a general disdain for media hype but if you're implying that it affects the way i score fights like some emotional fanboy, you're projecting.

[HeroBando]

everyone has bias. yes i do hate ******ed fans and have a general disdain for media hype but if you're implying that it affects the way i score fights like some emotional fanboy, you're projecting.

OK. Here's a fun fact for you: take all 7-5 for Pac vs Bradley press scores (your score), add all draws and all scores for Bradley outright, combined it comes out short of 11-1 scores. I think it's 1 short or something. So if you can get someone to pay you for your boxing opinion, maybe you can submit your score and it'll be even. But it won't change the fact that a "close score" in that fight is as plausible as Pac winning 11-1, numbers don't lie

[El Malo.]

He doesn't need it unless he wants 2x his career payday, for an opponent he's got all figured out. some boxers would give up their pinky toe for that, few would pass

Yeah too bad cheap @ss Pacquiao wont pay Marquez what he really deserves so you can put that side of your argument to rest. And if Marquez does decide to give Manny a chance to redeem himself its fair to say that the fight needs to happen at 140 pounds and that's being more then fair to Manny. If Marquez wanted to be a **** he would pull a Pacquiao and request a catchweight of 138. This should make the fight fair for both and if for some reason Manny doesn't want it at that weight then its not on Marquez to go up in weight again.

[El Malo.]

The first fight was controversial and Pac should won it, not a draw because of the admitted judge scoring error.

The second fight was clearly for Pacquiao despite of Marquez drinking his own urine to boast his power but it didn't work.

The third and the fourth fight, since drinking his own urine it didn't work. Marquez hired Heredia a well known PED supplier of undetectable PED to countless athletes around the world and the rest is history. Marquez hiring Heredia is a big question mark on his sudden increase of power and incredible hulk body but of course people who wanted Marquez to win clearly ignored this fact.

Yeah too bad for poor little Pacquiao who for some reason had more then enough time to ask for extra Testing you know just to make sure they where both fighting clean still hasn't gotten over his fear of needles and passed on Testing. Go figure some people who clearly can't get over the fact that Manny got put to sleep clearly seem to ignore this fact.

[HeroBando]

Yeah too bad cheap @ss Pacquiao wont pay Marquez what he really deserves so you can put that side of your argument to rest. And if Marquez does decide to give Manny a chance to redeem himself its fair to say that the fight needs to happen at 140 pounds and that's being more then fair to Manny. If Marquez wanted to be a **** he would pull a Pacquiao and request a catchweight of 138. This should make the fight fair for both and if for some reason Manny doesn't want it at that weight then its not on Marquez to go up in weight again.

I sympathize with that, wish they offered him closer to 50/50 but 13m is still waaay beyond his market value. He'll be lucky to make half that much vs Bradley

[FALLENSOLDIER]

Many Marquez fans feel His ko should close the chapter. Now i like both fighters, but Marquez kept chasing Manny for years. And although they were all close fights, Manny won 2 and the draw should have been his also. He could of chose to be done with Marquez. He kept giving him chances to fight, Marquez should do the same. I thought he was close to getting stopped in their last fight. So, if manny wants it, he should give it to him. Would it be a duck if he said no, i dont think so. More like he finally got a win on pac,so he wants to run with it. Just an opinion...

Nope !!!! Bob arum was milkin those fights. These fights were mannys biggest fights and without these fights, manny had no bargaining power against Floyd, just look at the payperview numbers. This is why these fights kept happening...

This is why BOB wants a 5th. Bob could care less about manny settlin a score persay...

This is why manny is fighting in china for his next fight. Its all about the money.
Millions of potential chinese buyers...
Millions of dollars for arums coffers....

According to manny its all up to his promoter BOB ARUM, SO stop with all this nonsense about manny giving chances when it took years after the first damn fight!!!

may 2004 was the first fight and the rematch was in march 2008.. Sounds generous to you??

[HeroBando]

Nope !!!! Bob arum was milkin those fights. These fights were mannys biggest fights and without these fights, manny had no bargaining power against Floyd, just look at the payperview numbers. This is why these fights kept happening...

This is why BOB wants a 5th. Bob could care less about manny settlin a score persay...

This is why manny is fighting in china for his next fight. Its all about the money.
Millions of potential chinese buyers...
Millions of dollars for arums coffers....

According to manny its all up to his promoter BOB ARUM, SO stop with all this nonsense about manny giving chances when it took years after the first damn fight!!!

may 2004 was the first fight and the rematch was in march 2008.. Sounds generous to you??

Didn't JMM price himself out of immediate rematch? Passed on 750k to go lose to John on a parking lot in Indonesia for 30k? You'd think he'd have learned some lessons about market value and such

In any case Pac fought his nemesis 4 times, and is offering him 2x his career payday, so not sure why the whining

[ADP02]

may 2004 was the first fight and the rematch was in march 2008.. Sounds generous to you??

You may have forgotten the following detail ....

There was a possibility way before 2008 but Marquez didn't like the deal and ended up fighting Chris John for a lot less ....

[straightleft]

Yeah too bad for poor little Pacquiao who for some reason had more then enough time to ask for extra Testing you know just to make sure they where both fighting clean still hasn't gotten over his fear of needles and passed on Testing. Go figure some people who clearly can't get over the fact that Manny got put to sleep clearly seem to ignore this fact.

You clearly ignored and pretending you didn't know who Heredia is but then you care so much about PED testing. You are boggling my mind.