Comments Thread For: Golovkin: Mayweather is My Dream, I Want That Fight

[HeroBando]

All i have learnt from this thread is that

1) Oscar is a geniune middleweight.
2) Roy Jones is a geniune heavyweight.
3) Floyd Mayweather is a geniune junior middleweight

Because they can make the weight and compete at the weight.

NEVER HEARD SO MUCH **** IN MY ENTIRE LIFE

Exception NOT the rule, people in this thread dont know **** about boxing.

Please fill in the blanks for me:

Oscar = paper champ at MW
Roy = paper champ at HW
Floyd = ... at SWW

[Marvellous1]

All those guys you're listing were fringe titlists. None of them 2x, none of them #1 rated. It's telling you're choosing these paper champs (at those weights) as your point of reference.

I think Flo mos would have been very upset if you'd chosen that comparison just 3 months ago, before Floyd's epic CW comedown

So from the spate of home truths you chose that to focus on? Again picking at the bones of the post, not the meat because it's easier to address. It is T18Z's simplistic logic that being able to fight at a weight, MAKES you that weight. Surely you can see the flaws in that. Chad Dawson made super middle and fought there, does it make him a super middleweight?

Of course Pacquiao is no longer a super flyweight, but does that make him a light middleweight? Of course not. He fought for a title there but it didn't mean that's where he should campaign. I'll state again, he refused to fight Miguel Cotto at 154lbs. Why was that? He proved his skills set was better, but the weight would make a difference. What is untrue about that? You can try make my point moot, but it proves that T18Z's silly assertion that fighting at a weight means you belong there, is just that. I can't make it any simpler than that.

Notice how T18Z refuses to address the other points he's been lawyered on.

Why is Mayweather the only welterweight being mentioned alongside Golovkin?

[HeroBando]

So from the spate of home truths you chose that to focus on? Again picking at the bones of the post, not the meat because it's easier to address. It is T18Z's simplistic logic that being able to fight at a weight, MAKES you that weight. Surely you can see the flaws in that. Chad Dawson made super middle and fought there, does it make him a super middleweight?

Of course Pacquiao is no longer a super flyweight, but does that make him a light middleweight? Of course not. He fought for a title there but it didn't mean that's where he should campaign. I'll state again, he refused to fight Miguel Cotto at 154lbs. Why was that? He proved his skills set was better, but the weight would make a difference. What is untrue about that? You can try make my point moot, but it proves that T18Z's silly assertion that fighting at a weight means you belong there, is just that. I can't make it any simpler than that.

Notice how T18Z refuses to address the other points he's been lawyered on.

Why is Mayweather the only welterweight being mentioned alongside Golovkin?

Because he's a 2x and current SWW champ, rated #1 contender, about to fight for the right to call himself The Man at SWW. GGG is not asking him to move up, he wants to challenge for Floyd's titles. Would it be better if GGG said he'd go down to 152?

[T18Z]

So from the spate of home truths you chose that to focus on? Again picking at the bones of the post, not the meat because it's easier to address. It is T18Z's simplistic logic that being able to fight at a weight, MAKES you that weight. Surely you can see the flaws in that. Chad Dawson made super middle and fought there, does it make him a super middleweight?

Of course Pacquiao is no longer a super flyweight, but does that make him a light middleweight? Of course not. He fought for a title there but it didn't mean that's where he should campaign. I'll state again, he refused to fight Miguel Cotto at 154lbs. Why was that? He proved his skills set was better, but the weight would make a difference. What is untrue about that? You can try make my point moot, but it proves that T18Z's silly assertion that fighting at a weight means you belong there, is just that. I can't make it any simpler than that.

Notice how T18Z refuses to address the other points he's been lawyered on.

Why is Mayweather the only welterweight being mentioned alongside Golovkin?

What other points? I never said where someone 'should' campaign, you said that, and I said that's nothing but an opinion and doesn't mean you know where a fighter belongs. I am right about what I say, as long as a fighter can make the weight he can fight in any division he wants, and it's as simple as that. If anything your logic is ****** and subjective, you base it on if you believe the fighter is 'proven' or not when it doesn't matter (despite Floyd having 2 belts rofl), you are fighting in that division when you choose to agree to a fight in that weight category.

Being able to fight at that weight does currently make you that weight, what else does it make you? Why do you try so hard to complicate what is essentially a ground rule of boxing? You are using an opinion into something which is fact, stop it. Mayweather is being mentioned because:

1) He brings money
2) After Canelo he will have fought at LMW 3x, with 2 extremely recent, and 2 or more belts
3) If you are fine with Canelo facing Floyd, there is no difference with Golovkin facing him. Canelo hydrates higher too, if Golovkin wants 154 and can make it, what is the problem besides his star power being too low?

The problem is (atleast for you and others) that Golovkin is apparently 'too big', yet somehow Canelo isn't? Tell me how can a fighter be too big if they are able to make the weight? They are no different than any other 154 fighter, they are not carrying anymore muscle that any other fighter could not gain either. Is Golovkin then too tall? Are taller fighters not allowed? Are his fists magically bigger than everyone elses? Maybe his arms weigh too much for Floyd? What is it, tell me, that makes Golovkin too big for Floyd if he makes the weight.

Here's your answer: nothing. The major problem people seem to be having is Golovkins skill and power being too 'big' for Mayweather, and that's the truth.

[Mr. Philadel]

IBO/WBA middleweight champion Gennady "GGG" Golovkin (27-0, 24KOs) told BoxingScene.com that his dream fight is a showdown with the pound-for-pound king Floyd Mayweather Jr. (44-0, 26KOs). Mayweather challenges WBC/WBA 154-pound champion Saul "Canelo" Alvarez on September 14th at the MGM Grand in Las Vegas. Golovkin returned on Saturday night and destroyed Matthew Macklin in three short rounds, which he closed out with a wicked hook to the body.

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EVERYBODY in boxing WANTS that fight....$$$$$$$$ ching ching....****, I'd even take that fight for the numbers a Floyd opponent banks....send me the paperwork and I'll sign it ASAP

so whats new in the game?!?

[Marvellous1]

What other points? I never said where someone 'should' campaign, you said that, and I said that's nothing but an opinion and doesn't mean you know where a fighter belongs. I am right about what I say, as long as a fighter can make the weight he can fight in any division he wants, and it's as simple as that. If anything your logic is ****** and subjective, you base it on if you believe the fighter is 'proven' or not when it doesn't matter (despite Floyd having 2 belts rofl), you are fighting in that division when you choose to agree to a fight in that weight category.

Being able to fight at that weight does currently make you that weight, what else does it make you? Why do you try so hard to complicate what is essentially a ground rule of boxing? You are using an opinion into something which is fact, stop it. Mayweather is being mentioned because:

1) He brings money
2) After Canelo he will have fought at LMW 3x, with 2 extremely recent, and 2 or more belts
3) If you are fine with Canelo facing Floyd, there is no difference with Golovkin facing him. Canelo hydrates higher too, if Golovkin wants 154 and can make it, what is the problem besides his star power being too low?

The problem is (atleast for you and others) that Golovkin is apparently 'too big', yet somehow Canelo isn't? Tell me how can a fighter be too big if they are able to make the weight? They are no different than any other 154 fighter, they are not carrying anymore muscle that any other fighter could not gain either. Is Golovkin then too tall? Are taller fighters not allowed? Are his fists magically bigger than everyone elses? Maybe his arms weigh too much for Floyd? What is it, tell me, that makes Golovkin too big for Floyd if he makes the weight.

Here's your answer: nothing. The major problem people seem to be having is Golovkins skill and power being too 'big' for Mayweather, and that's the truth.

Still won't answer my direct questions, eh? De La Hoya fought twice at middleweight. It sure didn't make him one. Chad Dawson fought at super middle. It didn't make one either. Did Pacquiao fighting at light middle make hime one? If it did, why wouldn't he fight Cotto at the weight?

I'm not over complicating things, just saying they're not as simple as you make them. So Mayweather fought at light middle twice. Were they against the most prime opponents? Did he look like he belonged there? Did he remain at the weight? Mayweather is a welterweight gifted enough to fight bigger guys, much like Pacquiao. Both have their limits. I sincerely doubt that Mayweather remains at the weight after this fight. It's about the money not the titles.

The difference between Alvarez and Golovkin is not just the size, it's what they do. Alvarez fights at 154lbs. He trades punches with them (when allowed). Golovkin is not only bigger but fights bigger men too. He has trained mostly his whole career to fight at middleweight. Maybe Alvarez will get there but who knows how effective he'll be? The fact that this fight is at catchweight says they're not totally secure about it.

I'd be saying the same thing if it were Pacquiao or any other welterweight in the frame. Do people think he wouldn't fight Cotto at 154lbs because Cotto was too good? I don't think so. And when I asked why no other welterweight was in this conversation, I meant on here not by Golovkin's team. We know it wouldn't be taken seriously for any of the others. Why do some on here think Mayweather could hang with GGG but no other welterweight could?

[T18Z]

Still won't answer my direct questions, eh? De La Hoya fought twice at middleweight. It sure didn't make him one. Chad Dawson fought at super middle. It didn't make one either. Did Pacquiao fighting at light middle make hime one? If it did, why wouldn't he fight Cotto at the weight?

I'm not over complicating things, just saying they're not as simple as you make them. So Mayweather fought at light middle twice. Were they against the most prime opponents? Did he look like he belonged there? Did he remain at the weight? Mayweather is a welterweight gifted enough to fight bigger guys, much like Pacquiao. Both have their limits. I sincerely doubt that Mayweather remains at the weight after this fight. It's about the money not the titles.

The difference between Alvarez and Golovkin is not just the size, it's what they do. Alvarez fights at 154lbs. He trades punches with them (when allowed). Golovkin is not only bigger but fights bigger men too. He has trained mostly his whole career to fight at middleweight. Maybe Alvarez will get there but who knows how effective he'll be? The fact that this fight is at catchweight says they're not totally secure about it.

I'd be saying the same thing if it were Pacquiao or any other welterweight in the frame. Do people think he wouldn't fight Cotto at 154lbs because Cotto was too good? I don't think so. And when I asked why no other welterweight was in this conversation, I meant on here not by Golovkin's team. We know it wouldn't be taken seriously for any of the others. Why do some on here think Mayweather could hang with GGG but no other welterweight could?

What question? Repeat it please.

Here you go again, claiming your opinion as fact, claiming that de lay hoya wasn't a middleweight in one point in his career, why are you so adamant on ignoring how boxing works? This applies to any fighter, Cotto, Pacquaio, anyone; whichever division you want to fight at, you can, as long as you make the weight. Mayweather is fighting Canelo at JMW, currently he is thus a JMW, that is not opinion, that is fact, stop ignoring it. You keep throwing in your opinion like it will change anything. It does not matter if you think a fighter 'belongs' there, or is better suited in a different division, if you are currently fighting there then that is the division you are at. Mayweather has not said he will never fight at 154 again like Pacquaio or others have said, Mayweather also did not want to vacate his title, he's pretty adamant on fighting at JMW, accept it.

Once again I do not care what you 'think' Golovkin has over Mayweather, in the sport of boxing, if you can make the weight, you are game, and that is it. Pacquaio came from a much lower weight class than Mayweather, are you saying he's at a disadvantage if he were to fight Floyd because he has had to deal with lighter punchers and smaller men? I don't think so. That's not how it works in boxing, sorry. The difference between Alvarez and Golovkin is that Golovkin is simply a much better overall fighter and you can see it in his fighting, and please don't try and argue any different.

People think Mayweather could hang with GGG because he holds 2 JMW titles, is about to face one of the biggest JMW there is who hydrates higher than Golovkin and other middleweights, and has fought there multiple times. If Mayweather had never fought at 154 I doubt Golovkin would be going after him, but he is fighting at 154 and he is whether you like it or not, recognized by the boxing associations as going into the fight as a JMW.

[Ray Corso]

GGG's Dream would be Floyds Nightmare!!!! It would take a while but GGG would close the distance and he hits much harder than anyone Floyds faced even with GGG dropping to 54! He makes 160 easily and was 168 4 weeks out from his last fight! He isn't a thick bodied athlete or extremely big boned so moving to 154 from 168 in a 5 to 6 week period sounds reasonable!
Thats 2 1/2 lbs a week!! Floyd will ask for a catchweight at 139!!! hahahaha!
Ray.

[Alx.]

Mayweather good boy

[Reloaded]

What other points? I never said where someone 'should' campaign, you said that, and I said that's nothing but an opinion and doesn't mean you know where a fighter belongs. I am right about what I say, as long as a fighter can make the weight he can fight in any division he wants, and it's as simple as that. If anything your logic is ****** and subjective, you base it on if you believe the fighter is 'proven' or not when it doesn't matter (despite Floyd having 2 belts rofl), you are fighting in that division when you choose to agree to a fight in that weight category.

Being able to fight at that weight does currently make you that weight, what else does it make you? Why do you try so hard to complicate what is essentially a ground rule of boxing? You are using an opinion into something which is fact, stop it. Mayweather is being mentioned because:

1) He brings money
2) After Canelo he will have fought at LMW 3x, with 2 extremely recent, and 2 or more belts
3) If you are fine with Canelo facing Floyd, there is no difference with Golovkin facing him. Canelo hydrates higher too, if Golovkin wants 154 and can make it, what is the problem besides his star power being too low?

The problem is (atleast for you and others) that Golovkin is apparently 'too big', yet somehow Canelo isn't? Tell me how can a fighter be too big if they are able to make the weight? They are no different than any other 154 fighter, they are not carrying anymore muscle that any other fighter could not gain either. Is Golovkin then too tall? Are taller fighters not allowed? Are his fists magically bigger than everyone elses? Maybe his arms weigh too much for Floyd? What is it, tell me, that makes Golovkin too big for Floyd if he makes the weight.

Here's your answer: nothing. The major problem people seem to be having is Golovkins skill and power being too 'big' for Mayweather, and that's the truth.

There is a saying in racehorses where a horse will get into a race carrying a certain weight and he " beats the handicapper "

That's what these guys do when they go up and win a title in a division they don't belong in , they beat the handicapper , it don't make them bigger men , it means they could beat that particular bigger fighter not all bigger fighters .

When all things are equal the bigger man will win , to beat that rule you must be slicker and more skilled to over come the weight and strength difference , its not a given its depending on so many things .

If Golovkin was a WW Floyd would own him , what does that tell you about the weight difference .