Would a healthy Haye beat Wlad

[LacedUp]

I think Wlad was engaging more in the later rounds. Rewatch the rounds 10 and 11. He was pressing Haye..

To do that from the first round would be ****** IMO. Haye is an excellent mover. One would be gassed after 5-6 only by chasing Haye around.

As for Vitali, I am not sure. I think even this version of Vitali (way past it) is better than the version of Valuev that Haye fought.

Vitali can take some massive punches and he can press it. He is just as strong as Wlad and to have him on you for a few rounds would be very difficult for Haye. He would definitely be more on the move than against Wlad. Would he survive that, I don't know...

I think rounds 1-6 were very close. Most of them will have gone to Wlad because he was mainly the agressor, but I didn't think there was too much in each round. Rounds 7-11 were all Wlad. He pressed the fight and Haye rarely threw anything back. It was as if he was waiting for that moneypunch to land, but just ran out of time. He went for it in round 12 and rocked Wlad a little but it was too little too late.

And yes of course it would. But I think Haye got sloppy in the end of the fight, he took way too many shots for his liking I think, but thought he could get into a dog fight with wlad. Wlad was too smart for that, he had figured Haye out.

With regards to Vitali, 1) I doubt we'll see him in the ring again & 2) there's no question Vitali is better than Valuev. But you can't compare the two, because Valuev was a freak of nature. He weighed in almost a hundred pounds heavier than either Klitschko brother! It's a whole different animal. Vitali has what Wlad doesn't have. And that's a real fighters heart - He's got that fire in his belly than makes him want to get into a tear-up. Wlad has never had that, he's always been the smart one. I think at this moment in time, it will play into Haye's hands. Vitali is slow, and he has a tendency to stick his chin out and keep his hands down. Not very smart against Haye, but he isn't going to change the way he fights now. I can very seriously see Haye winning a Vitali fight should it come. Either on late stoppage or on points.

And this is only because Vitali isn't the beast he used to be. That guy would do some serious harm to Haye.

[White_Knight]

Haye is like Samson guy from the bible - the guy who lost all his strength when his hair was cut off. In Haye's case, however, he stores 7 rounds worth of winning power in his pinky toe, and when it swells up, he can only win 2 rounds.

[Simurgh]

I think rounds 1-6 were very close. Most of them will have gone to Wlad because he was mainly the agressor, but I didn't think there was too much in each round. Rounds 7-11 were all Wlad. He pressed the fight and Haye rarely threw anything back. It was as if he was waiting for that moneypunch to land, but just ran out of time. He went for it in round 12 and rocked Wlad a little but it was too little too late.

And yes of course it would. But I think Haye got sloppy in the end of the fight, he took way too many shots for his liking I think, but thought he could get into a dog fight with wlad. Wlad was too smart for that, he had figured Haye out.

With regards to Vitali, 1) I doubt we'll see him in the ring again & 2) there's no question Vitali is better than Valuev. But you can't compare the two, because Valuev was a freak of nature. He weighed in almost a hundred pounds heavier than either Klitschko brother! It's a whole different animal. Vitali has what Wlad doesn't have. And that's a real fighters heart - He's got that fire in his belly than makes him want to get into a tear-up. Wlad has never had that, he's always been the smart one. I think at this moment in time, it will play into Haye's hands. Vitali is slow, and he has a tendency to stick his chin out and keep his hands down. Not very smart against Haye, but he isn't going to change the way he fights now. I can very seriously see Haye winning a Vitali fight should it come. Either on late stoppage or on points.

And this is only because Vitali isn't the beast he used to be. That guy would do some serious harm to Haye.

I agree on pretty much everything. Watching the fight again I think Haye won 3rd round and possibly 12th, but Wlad was able to hurt Haye as well after being hurt himself - it might be a draw in 12th.

Although Wlad's defense is better than Vitali's in textbook sense, Vitali is more awkward. He keeps his hands down because he controls the distance perfectly. He can dodge most of the punches. I don't think Haye can hurt him with one punch.

I believe both Sanders and Lennox were bigger punchers and both landed as clean as possible on Vitali without hurting him much. (sanders was the closest of doing so).

Vitali is more physical as well. He can impose himself on Haye. Haye would need to box perfect to have a chance against slow Vitali. I don't see him stopping Vitali, but the best outcome would be something similar as in Valuev fight - close UD.

[Jedi Vader]

Haye is like Samson guy from the bible - the guy who lost all his strength when his hair was cut off. In Haye's case, however, he stores 7 rounds worth of winning power in his pinky toe, and when it swells up, he can only win 2 rounds.

Steady on Tunney.

[LacedUp]

I agree on pretty much everything. Watching the fight again I think Haye won 3rd round and possibly 12th, but Wlad was able to hurt Haye as well after being hurt himself - it might be a draw in 12th.

Although Wlad's defense is better than Vitali's in textbook sense, Vitali is more awkward. He keeps his hands down because he controls the distance perfectly. He can dodge most of the punches. I don't think Haye can hurt him with one punch.

I believe both Sanders and Lennox were bigger punchers and both landed as clean as possible on Vitali without hurting him much. (sanders was the closest of doing so).

Vitali is more physical as well. He can impose himself on Haye. Haye would need to box perfect to have a chance against slow Vitali. I don't see him stopping Vitali, but the best outcome would be something similar as in Valuev fight - close UD.

I know he's an awkward fighter, but look at how many times he got tagged against Chisora and also Charr. Haye probably hits harder than both those two put together. And he's not getting any younger, and you know what they say about punch resistance when the age is creeping up on you.

I don't think Vitali has the speed anymore to dodge Haye's punches. He has a longer reach than people think, and could potentially use his jab as a very good weapon to set up the right hand in this fight. Also, Vitali would stalk Haye which would play right into his hands. Also, he's not putting as much into his right hand as he once did imo. It doesn't have the same damaging effect.

Lennox is definitely a bigger puncher than Haye, no question. He was 6'5 and 245 - of course he's going to hit harder than him. Sanders, I'm not sure. He doesn't have the explosiveness Haye has. But you would have to ask fighters who got hit flush by both.

One thing is for sure, Haye has the power to hurt any HW. And Vitali has the power to completely destroy any fighter as well. I'm just not sure he has it in him anymore.

[Simurgh]

I know he's an awkward fighter, but look at how many times he got tagged against Chisora and also Charr. Haye probably hits harder than both those two put together. And he's not getting any younger, and you know what they say about punch resistance when the age is creeping up on you.

I don't think Vitali has the speed anymore to dodge Haye's punches. He has a longer reach than people think, and could potentially use his jab as a very good weapon to set up the right hand in this fight. Also, Vitali would stalk Haye which would play right into his hands. Also, he's not putting as much into his right hand as he once did imo. It doesn't have the same damaging effect.

Lennox is definitely a bigger puncher than Haye, no question. He was 6'5 and 245 - of course he's going to hit harder than him. Sanders, I'm not sure. He doesn't have the explosiveness Haye has. But you would have to ask fighters who got hit flush by both.

One thing is for sure, Haye has the power to hurt any HW. And Vitali has the power to completely destroy any fighter as well. I'm just not sure he has it in him anymore.

Ok, I see. The real question is are we talking about Vitali or shot version of him...

We can't compare it, as we don't really know how good/bad present Vitali is. He might be in that stage that most guys beat him, not just Haye...

I believe he knows the best and he'll make a right decision.

[Money Shot]

He was healthy and didn't get near a win, not even close.

[LacedUp]

Ok, I see. The real question is are we talking about Vitali or shot version of him...

We can't compare it, as we don't really know how good/bad present Vitali is. He might be in that stage that most guys beat him, not just Haye...

I believe he knows the best and he'll make a right decision.

I'm talking about the Vitali that fought Chisora and Charr. He didn't look like the old Vitali to me, and it looked like a fighter Haye could potentially beat imo.

But he can still throw a devasting straight right.
I hope/believe he will retire. He's done enough in the sport. No need to go out and potentially lose to a Stiverne or someone like that.

[yoz]

Wlad too afraid to throw at a fighter with his hands by his side. Haye's head movement and speed made Wlad **** bricks and stay with a pawing weak jab.

LOL, who won the fight (and almost every round), eh?

[yoz]

I can't imagine Haye winning on points - only if he drops Wlad 2-3 times like Peter did. But that's not happening, Wlad is a different fighter now.

People who are saying Wlad was too afraid to engage with the fighter who held his hands down know very little about boxing. Haye is an ambush fighter, he always keeps his hands down, he always invites you to come in, he wants that, he likes that. Wlad did the right thing. He outboxed him from the distance. Haye's attempts looked very wild as Wlad was able to dodge pretty much everything Haye thrown. A few times when Haye did connect it wasn't enough to get Wlad in serious trouble - IMO Wlad's chin is not no where near as bad as people are saying.

For Haye Wlad stylistically is a nightmare. Tall, strong, fast, cautious, big puncher, great stamina...

I am not even completely sure that Fury-Haye is a mistmach. If Fury survives first 4-5 rounds Haye might be gassing out and there is a trouble.

Haye said he had a 'plan' for beat Wladimir. If that was it (taunting Wladimir), it was pretty pathetic. Him and Booth were really shown up.