Comments Thread For: Froch: Ward Brings Little Revenue, Kessler III is Priority

[hitking]

Where was that discussed? Source and date please!



Let's see your sources and we can take it from there.

Where was what discussed? Calzage was talked about as a potential opponent for Jones and Hopkins for years, long before he actually fought them. That's why he was criticized for never coming over here to fight them, "in their primes." Ottke was never talked about as a potential opponent for either because he wasn't the class of the super middleweight division. I think that's pretty common knowledge.

[hitking]

This isn't true, Froch said he'd be willing to fight Hopkins at 171 or 172lbs. Froch tried to make the Hopkins fight in 2011.

It's Hearn that doesn't want him to fight Hopkins, Cleverly or Ward right now. Hearn didn't want him to fight Bute either but Froch said a lesser fight wouldn't motivate him.

To me, saying "I'll fight a 50 year old light heavyweight at 171" is a face saving way of saying I don't wanna fight him. Most 50 year olds aint gonna agree to do too much cutting weight.

[Arsene Knows]

I give credit to all of them. Particularly those willing to travel.

You should really be more appreciative of Froch.

After Pascal he fights jermain Taylor in Taylor's backyard. Many promotors would have ensured an easy defence for their fighter as a first fight after winning a belt.

After the s6 again Froch could have taken an easy fight after a grueling schedule and yet he elects to sign not one but two fights with the best available fighter in undefeated Lucian Bute.

I don't understand your hate. I simply don't.

The Jermain Taylor fight was quite fascinating because Taylor was the mandatory and he chose to duck Froch for a while. It's quite rare that the Champion has to go chasing his mandatory.

[BattlingNelson]

Where was what discussed? Calzage was talked about as a potential opponent for Jones and Hopkins for years, long before he actually fought them. That's why he was criticized for never coming over here to fight them, "in their primes." Ottke was never talked about as a potential opponent for either because he wasn't the class of the super middleweight division. I think that's pretty common knowledge.

What years are you talking about here? When Ottke fought I don't recall talks about these guys as opponents for Calzaghe anywhere but in Frank Warren's head. I recall more talks about Calzaghe fighting Ottke, but nobody wanted to leave home.

I thought that was common knowledge.

[Light_Speed]

I give credit to all of them. Particularly those willing to travel.

You should really be more appreciative of Froch.

After Pascal he fights jermain Taylor in Taylor's backyard. Many promotors would have ensured an easy defence for their fighter as a first fight after winning a belt.

After the s6 again Froch could have taken an easy fight after a grueling schedule and yet he elects to sign not one but two fights with the best available fighter in undefeated Lucian Bute.

I don't understand your hate. I simply don't.

Taylor was the biggest name he could have fought at this point in his career. Like I said, Froch wasn't a big name didn't have a powerful promoter so he took the biggest fight he could take.

The Bute fight was the kind of opportunity that fighters don't get when they're coming off a loss. When you get dominated, lose your belt, and then a big payday falls on your lap, what do you do? Especially if you're in your mid 30s and you don't have much time left in the sport.

The point is he had other options. Most fighters would have actually even taken a paycut to fight a lesser opponent (like Ward).

Ward was not in Froch's position, he was in the driver's seat.

Again, I wanna make it clear that I don't hate Froch or even criticize him (he's a warrior who comes to fight, much respect), I just wanted to kill this myth that he chases the toughest opposition. Hell, the thread title alone should kill it.

[LacedUp]

He fought Sakio Biko as a stay busy fight during the Super Six. And Bika is a guy nobody wants to fight if they don't have to.

So you are saying Bika is better than Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Kessler? GTFO

[hitking]

What years are you talking about here? When Ottke fought I don't recall talks about these guys as opponents for Calzaghe anywhere but in Frank Warren's head. I recall more talks about Calzaghe fighting Ottke, but nobody wanted to leave home.

I thought that was common knowledge.

So after the Tito fight, you don't ever remember fans a media talking about Hopkins possibily going over and challenging Calzage since Joe wouldn't come over here. And ultimately, the fight never materialized, mainly because Hopkins honestly was more focused on luring DLH up. And when RJ was fighting his bum-of-the-month club opponents prior to Ruiz (who was simply a bigger bum), RJ was talked about fighting overseas stars Darius Mickelchski and Joe Calzage, but he wouldn't go abroad to do it for fear of being robbed. You don't remember any of those debates among media and fans?

[LacedUp]

Taylor was the biggest name he could have fought at this point in his career.

Taylor was a mandatory and it was agreed upon before Froch fought Pascal. Further than that, the fight sold like 4000 tickets. Hardly the "biggest name" anyone could fight.

[Weebler I]

To me, saying "I'll fight a 50 year old light heavyweight at 171" is a face saving way of saying I don't wanna fight him. Most 50 year olds aint gonna agree to do too much cutting weight.

Except it was Hopkins who proposed the catchweight. As I said, Froch already tried to make the fight years ago.

[hitking]

So you are saying Bika is better than Pascal, Taylor, Bute, Kessler? GTFO

Na, I'm saying Ward beat the breaks off of Froch so the whole debate of who needs who more or who has fought the better guys outside of each other is moot.