Let's Be Real: Pac is a top 5 GOAT

[bojangles1987]

Just curious, I probably would have estimated similarly at one time, but the more I think think about it the more I wonder, I wouldn't have issue with a lsit that ranked him outside the top 50.

There probably isn't that much separating the fighters ranked around 40 from fighters ranked around 50 or even 60. Not like you're talking the difference between top 10 and top 40, where there's a clear difference. All depends on how you view them yourself.

[Doctor_Tenma]

Oscar won a bunch of fights..... Got screwed in the tito and mosely 2 fights...
Him and whitaker could have gone either way


Having lost to prime undefeated tito, shane, floyd, plus losses to hopkins and manny are nothing to be ashamed of..

Manny has lost to jmm and should have lost at least twice to him, maybe even three times depending on how you score the 1st fight..

Manny got ko'd by no namers early in career..

Manny lost to morales....

Manny got put out face first, nobody ever put oscar to sleep and he fought the best at their very best... Something floyd and manny cant say.. FIGHTING THE BEST AT THEIR BEST

Completely false, Mayweather fought above his best weight and his gloves were picked out for him. Mosley was never at his best at 154. Whitaker was well past it and arguably won. Vargas was well past it, Chavez was well past it. While I do agree that he should have gotten the victory against Mosley in the rematch, many people also feel that Ike Quartey should have gotten the win, the much larger majority feel that way. As for the Tito fight, the man ran and he did not win the first 7 rounds as Jim Lampley's faggot ass likes to put it.

[Jam Jars]

Doesnt matter, a loss is a loss. Their are other fighters out their that he could have fought. That was a BS fight that should have never happened. Also Margarita and Shane were BS fights too.

He was going to fight the Margarito-Mosley winner, but when Mosley destroyed Marg he wanted no part of it, Mosley even went to the Wild card offering to go down to 140 but Pacquiao blatantly ducked him.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Why Hearns

I agree with the others but what has Hearns done to be rated so highly?

Hearns NEVER got outboxed.. Lost to prime SRL in a classic battle.. Lost to Hagler in a Classis battle... Blasted out duran in 2

Old Hearns got blasted by Iran the Blade twice but then Hearns outboxed Prime Virgil Hill twice....

If you dont think Hearns is an ATG, then you must not know his history...

If him and SRL were a 12 round fight he would have won easily.. Just faded in the 13,14 rounds...

Hearns was never outboxed and faced many hall of famers... Manny has been outboxed multiple times

[hugh grant]

Just because he's an active fighter who's footage isn't in black and white people don't give Pac the credit he deserves when ranking him all-time.

Facts:

-8 Division champ
-One of the most exciting fighters ever in his prime
-One of the greatest weight jumpers we have ever seen

Notable wins:

-JMM x2 (x3 if the judge had deducted the point from jmm like he was supposed to) - First ballot HOFer
-Morales x2 - First ballot HOFer
-De La Hoya - First ballot HOFer
-Mosley - First ballot HOFer
-Barrera x2 - First ballot HOFer
-Cotto - First ballot HOFer


Has any other fighter destroyed this many HOFers? I seriously doubt it. Only fighters I could see ranked above Pac all time are Ali, Robinson, Leonard and Duran.

Many think he is, and many think he isn't.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Completely false, Mayweather fought above his best weight and his gloves were picked out for him. Mosley was never at his best at 154. Whitaker was well past it and arguably won. Vargas was well past it, Chavez was well past it. While I do agree that he should have gotten the victory against Mosley in the rematch, many people also feel that Ike Quartey should have gotten the win, the much larger majority feel that way. As for the Tito fight, the man ran and he did not win the first 7 rounds as Jim Lampley's faggot ass likes to put it.

I agree with alot your saying. Totally get your points...

Im just saying that Manny has a great resume but its comparable to Oscar's plus Oscar never dodged a big fight... MAnny never got the floyd fight, and oscar fought tito....

Honestly i thought tito v oscar was a draw.....

[Jam Jars]

Hearns NEVER got outboxed.. Lost to prime SRL in a classic battle.. Lost to Hagler in a Classis battle... Blasted out duran in 2

Old Hearns got blasted by Iran the Blade twice but then Hearns outboxed Prime Virgil Hill twice....

If you dont think Hearns is an ATG, then you must not know his history...

If him and SRL were a 12 round fight he would have won easily.. Just faded in the 13,14 rounds...

Hearns was never outboxed and faced many hall of famers... Manny has been outboxed multiple times

Was ahead in the first SRL fight and should have been given the 2nd.

[Sugar Adam Ali]

Was ahead in the first SRL fight and should have been given the 2nd.

Exactly, Hearns is an ATG, he was just in an era with multiple ATG

[Prince_Pugilist]

Manny is a top 20 ATG and there can be no doubt about it. Ali, Robinson, Leonard, Duran, Armstrong, Hagler, Pep and a few others (not in that particular order) could easily be ranked above him. Add Hopkins to that list. Apart from that, no, there hasn't been any other fighter in the history of the sport that you can say is better.

Look at the man's resume, it is the absolute best since Leonard, and that is saying something.

[- Ram Raid -]

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#2. Floyd Pacquiao

#3. Emmanuel Joy Jr

#4. Dapidran Sinclair

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