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  • #51
    Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View Post
    A lot of us have some "spaniard" blood in us. Spanish is not even the primary language in Brazil...
    No, Portuguese is. But Portuguese is a Latin language and Spain and Portugal both share the Iberian peninsula together and their histories and culture are very closely related as is their languages.

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    • #52
      Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View Post
      I just talked to a Brazilian I worked with and he said they do consider themselves Latinos. I can't argue with that. I still feel how I feel tho.


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      I always interpreted Latinos as a generalization based on Ethnicity (not a race or nationality) based on culture, and Language. For Language not specific to Spanish or Castellano per say, but to rather heavily Latin influenced (Espanol, Franceses, Italiano, Franceses, etc..)

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      • #53
        Originally posted by CubanGuyNYC View Post
        Jofre was great, but he fought all but a handful of times in his native Brazil. Indeed, of his 74 fights, his only two losses happened in Japan. I would place "Finito" Lopez over him, and I don't think even Ricardo belongs in the top-five. With all due respect, De La Hoya appears the pick of a fan fairly new to the sport. And Rigondeaux was clearly thrown in as a joke.
        With all due respect, that is absurd.

        Whether or not he fought in Brazil often, Jofre beat a lot of great fighters that makes Lopez' look weak in comparison. He also beat all but two, both against the HOF great Harada in close fights.

        As to other posts that say Chavez doesn't deserve a top 5 spot, that's just being biased and ******. Chavez is clearly among the top five, and very arguably 2nd behind Duran.

        Only Monzon could really be argued as above him with any equality and even that's tricky. It's very difficult, without being absurdly biased, to ignore what Chavez did. He's easily above most others people have mentioned being above him so far, in every single category you want to choose.

        The amount of champions he beat, along with championship defenses, his undefeated streak until Whitaker, in different divisions is unparalleled in the sports history. You're just being ingenuous not having him in the top 5.

        If you have Arguello, for instance, but not Chavez, you're being ******. Kid Gavilan, Jose Napoles, Ricardo Lopez, Sal Sanchez etc etc, but no Chavez....

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        • #54
          Duran
          Monzon
          Chavez
          Jofre
          Arguello

          Gavilan was a great fighter don't get me wrong, but who do you rank him above?

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          • #55
            Originally posted by DempseyRollin View Post
            No, Portuguese is. But Portuguese is a Latin language and Spain and Portugal both share the Iberian peninsula together and their histories and culture are very closely related as is their languages.
            I'm not saying I'm right or you guys are wrong. I guess it was just about how I felt.

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            • #56
              Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View Post
              I just talked to a Brazilian I worked with and he said they do consider themselves Latinos. I can't argue with that. I still feel how I feel tho.


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              How you "feel"? LOL

              You obviously don't understand the definition of Latino.

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              • #57
                Originally posted by CuauhtĂŠmoc1520
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                Originally Posted by .:: JSFD26 ::.

                I just talked to a Brazilian I worked with and he said they do consider themselves Latinos. I can't argue with that. I still feel how I feel tho.


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                How you "feel"? LOL

                You obviously don't understand the definition of Latino.
                I already said I misuse it all the time. The same way I misuse "spanish". I ask people if they're "spanish" but doesn't necessarily mean I'm asking if they're from Spain. Its something that got stuck with me from back in the day when I lived up north.


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                • #58
                  Originally posted by BennyST View Post
                  With all due respect, that is absurd.

                  Whether or not he fought in Brazil often, Jofre beat a lot of great fighters that makes Lopez' look weak in comparison. He also beat all but two, both against the HOF great Harada in close fights.

                  As to other posts that say Chavez doesn't deserve a top 5 spot, that's just being biased and ******. Chavez is clearly among the top five, and very arguably 2nd behind Duran.

                  Only Monzon could really be argued as above him with any equality and even that's tricky. It's very difficult, without being absurdly biased, to ignore what Chavez did. He's easily above most others people have mentioned being above him so far, in every single category you want to choose.

                  The amount of champions he beat, along with championship defenses, his undefeated streak until Whitaker, in different divisions is unparalleled in the sports history. You're just being ingenuous not having him in the top 5.

                  If you have Arguello, for instance, but not Chavez, you're being ******. Kid Gavilan, Jose Napoles, Ricardo Lopez, Sal Sanchez etc etc, but no Chavez....
                  I've already conceded that I was probably wrong with regard to my comparison of Lopez ad Jofre. But Eder didn't just fight "often" in Brazil, he fought almost exclusively in his home country. I've also already explained why I consider this a bit of a negative when evaluating Jofre's career.

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                  • #59
                    In no specific order - Top 5

                    Roberto Duran
                    J.C. Chavez Snr.
                    Salvador Sanchez
                    Ricardo El Finito Lopez
                    Carlos Monzon

                    Honorable Mention:
                    Ruben Olivares
                    Carlos Zarate
                    Lupe Pintor
                    Wilfredo Gomez
                    Kid Gavilan
                    Alexis Arguello
                    Juan Manuel Marquez
                    Wilfred Benitez
                    Carlos Ortiz
                    Éder Jofre

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                    • #60
                      Originally posted by .:: JSFD26 ::. View Post
                      A lot of us have some "spaniard" blood in us. Spanish is not even the primary language in Brazil...

                      The portuguese colonized you, historically both portugal and spain are very alike, i mean after all you can throw a rock from spain and it will land on portugal. Both languages are based on the latin romance language, what there is to debate here? Of course brasilians are latino.

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