Reason's Why Wladimir Klitschko Is Not An ATG

[BattlingNelson]

that probably has more to do with the return fight and multiple fight option clauses his management team are notorious for including in certain fights.

Don King was way worse, so that excuse doesn't hold.

[The Big Dunn]

His dominance and his lengthy title reign. It's not difficult to comprehend.

Now your top 10?

my top 10 is still irrelevant. I agree he's been dominant and has a lengthy reign thats why hes a 1st ballot hof'er.

but I dont think he is the caliber of ali, frazier, louis, jack johnson, marciano, foreman, lennox, holyfield even Tyson. he surely hasn't beaten anyone in the top 20. maybe he's beaten 1 top 50 hwt. thats not ATG to me.

[Szef]

It's blatant who the one crying in this thread is.




I'm not changing anything, by you proclaiming Wlad as an ATG is an attempt to force change. So it's you who should be putting forth the case that he deserves to be an ATG.

Where's this list?

I hope you include that geezer with 6 heavyweight fights too.

Sultan Ibragimov
Sam Peter
Chris Byrd
that geezer
Chagaev
Brock

Now please list Tyson's, Marciano's and Holmes top 5 wins

[The Big Dunn]

Don King was way worse, so that excuse doesn't hold.

I dont know that he was or wasn't. but don king got fights made where wlad's management hasn't.

[D-MiZe]

Give me 15 better heavies than Wlad.

Muhammad Ali
Jack Dempsey
Gene Tunney
Joe Louis
Rocky Marciano
Evander Holyfield
Lennox Lewis
George Foreman
Joe Frazier
Larry Holmes
Mike Tyson
Jack Johnson
Ezzard Charles
Jersey Joe Walcott
Riddick Bowe


That's excluding a few others that could easily sneak in there. Bowe deliberately included for the lulz.

[The Big Dunn]

Sultan Ibragimov
Sam Peter
Chris Byrd
that geezer
Chagaev
Brock

Now please list Tyson's, Marciano's and Holmes top 5 wins

do any of these guys hold a candle to michael spinks or ken norton?

[Szef]

my top 10 is still irrelevant. I agree he's been dominant and has a lengthy reign thats why hes a 1st ballot hof'er.

but I dont think he is the caliber of ali, frazier, louis, jack johnson, marciano, foreman, lennox, holyfield even Tyson. he surely hasn't beaten anyone in the top 20. maybe he's beaten 1 top 50 hwt. thats not ATG to me.

Well actually no it's not, Wlad is not top 10 HW for you so please tell us who's on your list and why they deserve to be there but Wlad does not..

[NearHypnos]

How's he supposed to become an ATG with this logic? No other fighter is going to become elite if they're all being crushed before theycan even attempt to call themselves elite?

When someone beats Wlad (if american) watch how the second coming of Jesus takes place

[Szef]

do any of these guys hold a candle to michael spinks or ken norton?

Chris Byrd and Haye do

[bravestone]

my top 10 is still irrelevant. I agree he's been dominant and has a lengthy reign thats why hes a 1st ballot hof'er.

but I dont think he is the caliber of ali, frazier, louis, jack johnson, marciano, foreman, lennox, holyfield even Tyson. he surely hasn't beaten anyone in the top 20. maybe he's beaten 1 top 50 hwt. thats not ATG to me.

That's a decent top 9 you listed. Throw holmes in there and you basically have a good top 10 imo