Reason's Why Wladimir Klitschko Is Not An ATG

[Huxley]

Who cares if you don't think he's an ATG, many people in fact do think he's an ATG, and he's certainly been a great champion.

[A-Wolf]

1. Weak resume, chooses weak opponents like Mormeck and Pianeta in what is already a very poor division.
2. Constantly fouls by holding and leaning to prevent his usually smaller opponents mounting any offence which is illegal.
3. Fights scared, he can have a dead man in front of him and will still carry him for 4 more rounds before attempting to stop him.
4. Offers ridiculous contracts that delay or prevent fights from happening.
5. Made lame excuses for his losses, he claimed he was drugged in the Brewster fight but physical and blood tests showed nothing.
6. His brother helped him "clean out" the division not such a big achievement when you have help.

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[Someone88]

Wladimir is one of the greats of Boxing.

[BattlingNelson]

Wlad is a great athlete and a great current HW champ but an ATG? Definitely not.

To be an ATG you must beat somebody of the same standing. Wlad hasn't beat any Elite/HOF level fighters.

You cant dominate a weak division and earn ATG status by default.

Did Tyson, Holmes, Louis not do exactly that?

You dont't earn ATG status by winning fantasy h2h match-ups.

Correct.

Mental weakness and the inability hold up under pressure.

No inside fighting ability and minimal use of combinations.

2 knock outs to very average fighters.

I thought this thread was about Wlad and not lummox?

A great fighter for his time and certainly a HOF but there's no way he is an ATG.

I see.

Define ATG and then we can talk.

There is the opportunity to impove his legacy against the decent young HW's that are emerging but he will have to take big risks.

He is taking on the most qualified of these next time dude. Even though he is 37 and should be retired. Instead he is dominating more than any of his predessesors did at his age.

[HarvardBlue]

Just imagine him having to face Tyson, Holyfield, Lewis, and Bowe. I'm not sure he gets past either of them. He's blessed to be fighting at a time when the heavy weight division is at it 's weakest. He's good and made improvements but not a great heavy weight. Plus, his own brother is better than him.

[Simurgh]

Wlad is a great athlete and a great current HW champ but an ATG? Definitely not.

He most definitely is.

To be an ATG you must beat somebody of the same standing. Wlad hasn't beat any Elite/HOF level fighters.

He beat A LOT of very good fighters. He destroyed Byrd twice - many put him in HOF. There is a lot of people putting Haye in HOF.

What HOFs did Holmes beat? Don't come up with Ali, please. It was worse than if Wlad fights Holyfield now.

You cant dominate a weak division and earn ATG status by default.

He dominated the division in very very impressive way. He barley lost a few rounds in 10 years.

You dont't earn ATG status by winning fantasy h2h match-ups.

No, but one can appreciate how effective and impressive Wlad is for such a long time.

Mental weakness and the inability hold up under pressure.

Absoultely not. Look again Peter's fight. That was pretty much the first fight after Brewster. And Peter at the time was a beast (>90% KO ratio, never lost).

No inside fighting ability and minimal use of combinations.

You must not watch Wlad's fights at all. He throws a beautiful combos. left hook, left jab, right straight.

3 knock outs to very average fighters.

Wald was NEVER knocked out! NEVER! He was knocked down and TKOed, but not KOed. Learn the difference. All of those happened when he was far from his prime.
Apart form that, most of ATGs lost to lesser fighters.

Fighting the worst opponents in the division in the late stages of his carrer.

There is no much in there. He already beat everyone. Why destroy potential while is still growing. He can beat Fury and Wilder both in a single night at the moment. Let them grow a bit. Povetkin, Pulev are already in mix.

No standout/memorable moments.

Fight with Peter says a lot about Wlad's heart.
Fight with Haye was the second biggest in the boxing at that time (just after Floyd-Pac).

Over emphasis on achievements rather than skill.

He has both. Achievements are facts!

A great fighter for his time and certainly a HOF but there's no way he is an ATG.

He is ATG. Already CEMENTED himself there.

There is the opportunity to impove his legacy against the decent young HW's that are emerging but he will have to take big risks.

Maybe, but that's why he needs to give them more time. Though, I am sure people will say they are all bums once he destroys them.

A fight with Pienata after Wach is another step down the legacy ladder.

Beating unbeaten fighters is nothing to be ashamed of while fighting 3 times per year. How many champions do that nowadays. And how many of them are 37? Especially beating giants on steroids in impressive fashion.

Pure ATG!



DEAL WITH IT ALREADY!

[marsatari]

wvlad is def an all time great in my opinion...im not a big fantasy matchuo guy but if you look at his style, size and technique it is a safe bet to say he would have competed at a high level in any era....yes the hw div is been week but wvald has taken on all challengers....ppl talk about outrageous demands but wasn't it povetkin who declined the fight twice? A lotta ppl were so pumped about Hayes chances but then in proper boxing fashion when he beat him there were s many excuses..in my eyes I don't think any of these heavyweights will do any more than get systematically beaten...what fighters in history do you think WOULD NOT have problems with a tall solid guy with a excellent jab

[BennyST]

Depends how you define ATG. I think a HOFer is often an ATG in whatever weight class they are best at. There are some exceptions of course. That does not make them an ATG in the pound for pound sense though.

I think Wlad is an ATG heavy, and a HOFer, but not of the true ATG status as it is commonly used/thought of.

[bravestone]

He's an ATG and will be even higher when his time is over.

[have_not]

the right hand that klitschko is shooting is one of the best right hands I ever saw, not just today but in history of boxing. Quote E.Steward - years before he started training wlad

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UPNFoJX-_BA